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Old March 29th, 2006, 04:27 PM   #221
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I agree with nezzybaby and ra7968, in that the nosecone will rise to where the formwork for the first setback has been removed and then end. The nosecone will then rise in place of the missing formwork creating our first setback. The mock-up below gives you a rough idea of what I'm talking about.


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Old March 29th, 2006, 04:32 PM   #222
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Shit I realised only now that one of the noses has been built all the way to the top
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Old March 29th, 2006, 05:04 PM   #223
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I'ts just a photoshop to ilustrate the point he's (aural iNK) making.

I agree with the logic that after the setback, the wing core looses one section that is replaced by "noses" with side columns instead of solid concrete wall, in order to allow for views.
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Old March 29th, 2006, 05:16 PM   #224
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thanks for the illustration really helps to explain my point, the next question for me is whether they will start to build the nosecones on top of the setback now, or wait until teh other nosecones have reached this height
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Old March 29th, 2006, 05:19 PM   #225
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I'm sure that it'd probably be something very close to that as all the renders show nice rounded end-sections of the building regardless of what setback you're on. I'd imagine the nosecone sections will form that shape for every wing part that ends from here on.

Thanks for that photoshop illustration! It really helps visualize the idea.

Oh, does anyone know what direction the above shot (and photoshopping of) was taken from? It seems from some renders that the wings setback in a counter-clockwise fashion (west, south, east, north, repeated direction), so I'm just curious to know if this is the lowest setback of the wing cores or is it actually on the wing that we can't see from those shots?

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I'ts just a photoshop to ilustrate the point he's (aural iNK) making.

I agree with the logic that after the setback, the wing core looses one section that is replaced by "noses" with side columns instead of solid concrete wall, in order to allow for views.

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Old March 29th, 2006, 08:41 PM   #226
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I'm not sure of something on this... well many things... but regarding the setbacks:
1) Will the 3 wingtips all grow to at least the height of floor 18 and that will be the "first" setback, or 2) will the 3 wingtips setback before they reach floor 18.
If it's 1) then I'm guessing the wingtip will stop level with that setback.
When viewed from above the setbacks spiral clockwise - one every 10 floors or so. Therefore 180 floors = 18 setbacks, or 6 per wing. There's 4 stages per wing so the last 2 setbacks occur in the core itself (which makes sense looking at the render)...

as the first setback is around floor 17 that makes for about 197 "floors" (although the setbacks in the core will make the floor area of the top 30 floors very small) maybe only about 5-7m wide - and more of a spire than a usable floor - hence about 170-180 "actual" occupied floors imho...

does that sound about right folks?
All wing tips will reach at least 18. Look at the doorways on the ends of the outer core, where would they lead to?
The height of the setbacks will shorten the higher you go up IMO.
I think after the first setback, the nosing of the one above will be formed in steelwork, hence loss of concrete shutter platforms.
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Old March 29th, 2006, 09:54 PM   #227
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CULWULLA, if the core is indeed 137m, then I suppose I do have the Burj at 805m. It is pretty amazing how close the construction has been in line with the original diagram, except for height of course. I fixed the height below:

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Old March 29th, 2006, 10:06 PM   #228
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That's brilliant.. thanks!! Fellow Hokie
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Old March 29th, 2006, 11:26 PM   #229
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Great comparrison. Did you stretch that diagram yourself or did Nightsky draw a new one. I checked the SSP diagram database and they don't have a 800m drawing
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Old March 29th, 2006, 11:59 PM   #230
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I remember abbar (chairman of burj dubai/emaar) saying that the foundation was made in such a way that the minimum height would be 800m and as construction progressed, if they felt the need to increase the height, they would be able to extend it to 950m.
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Old March 30th, 2006, 12:16 AM   #231
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I remember abbar (chairman of burj dubai/emaar) saying that the foundation was made in such a way that the minimum height would be 800m and as construction progressed, if they felt the need to increase the height, they would be able to extend it to 950m.
THAT WOULD BE SOO KOOL IF IT EXTENDED TO 950M

I DONT THINK ANY OTHER BUILDING WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH THE BURJ DUBAI FOR A LONG TIME TO COME!!
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Old March 30th, 2006, 12:36 AM   #232
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They shouldn't go too tall and 950m is too tall. This tower is not only about height but also about creating a landmark, ie a great looking building which it is but won't be if stretched too much.
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Old March 30th, 2006, 12:56 AM   #233
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Old March 30th, 2006, 01:10 AM   #234
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never mind

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Old March 30th, 2006, 01:12 AM   #235
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And here's a great diagram made by Slugbelch over at SSP:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=61955&page=30


Only from march 14th though:

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Old March 30th, 2006, 02:39 AM   #236
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nice one
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Old March 30th, 2006, 02:43 AM   #237
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They shouldn't go too tall and 950m is too tall. This tower is not only about height but also about creating a landmark, ie a great looking building which it is but won't be if stretched too much.
malec believe it or not but I have a really strong feeling that BD will be 1000 m knowing dubai.
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Old March 30th, 2006, 02:44 AM   #238
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I remember abbar (chairman of burj dubai/emaar) saying that the foundation was made in such a way that the minimum height would be 800m and as construction progressed, if they felt the need to increase the height, they would be able to extend it to 950m.
Actully i was watching this programme, the planners of BD said they have increased the height of BD several times, so hey who knows.
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Old March 30th, 2006, 03:25 AM   #239
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Hey all.
I have been reading these forums for years, and just never posted yet
I have loved tall buildings since childhood, and to be able to see these projects rise through these posts and pics is the goods!
I have studied the renders and plans, and if I can offer my humble opinion on the setbacks....
First the 3 wings I will name as such; ( north is towards downtown )
one wing faces SZR, 2nd faces dubai mall, 3rd faces south
( named clockwise from the top like the setbacks do )
I will call the setback heights as highest floor ( not the roofs )
-tier 0 - level 6 -3rd podium level on all 3 wings
-tier 1 - level 18 -SZR wing
-tier 2 - level 25 -Dubai mall wing
-tier 3 - level 33 -South wing
-tier 4 - level 42 -SZR wing
-tier 5 - level 52 -Dubai mall wing
-tier 6 - level 63 -South wing
-tier 7 - level 75 -SZR wing
-tier 8 - level 86 -Dubai mall wing
-tier 9 - level 98 -South wing
-tier 10 - level 113 -SZR wing
-tier 11 - level 125 -Dubai mall wing
-tier 12 - level 141 -South wing
At this point the wings are gone and the setbacks are on the inner core with the first 3 facing the sides ( not the wings )
North side - T3 yellow crane, 120 degrees - Red crane, and 240 degrees - T2 yellow crane
-tier 13 - level 146 -North side
-tier 14 - level 150 -120 degree side
-tier 15 - level 154 -240 degree side
-tier 16 - level 157 -faces Dubai mall wing
-tier 17 - level 160 -South wing
-tier 18 - level ? -SZR wing
depending on the render tiers go to 22 or 24 and they could add more between the higher tiers .....but I think the lower tiers are accurate.
Hope you guys like the info ( my 2 typin fingies r hurtin )
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Old March 30th, 2006, 03:33 AM   #240
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