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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:51 AM   #81
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You didn't read the post mate. It's alternative point of view that people have and the point is, they are entitled to it,
just as much as the people that will worship at its entrance everyday.
My point of view is at the end of the post. I don't hate the tower, but I do question it, and I don't fall for the "share our vision" pitch, it just doesn't sell

By the way, sending you a present by express post a Burj Dubai T-shirt that you can wear around town, it will suit you, don't worry about the incredulous expressions you get, the point is, YOU'LL feel great.
Oh c'mon, 'Tower of Babel' 'monstrosity' etc etc, I wonder if you would have said the same things about the Chrysler Building, the Empire State Tower? or SWFC? or any tall tower for that matter?

Were any of them needed? That's not the point and you know it, so why go on about.

I mean have you even been to Dubai?

What they are doing to the place, is truly visionary in scope. Other countries in the region wasted away their fortunes, but Dubai are investing it into the future. The BD actually has more of a point than the SWFC, Chrysler or Petronas ever had.

P.S Thanks for the shirt!
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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:26 AM   #82
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You're blowing bubbles again Locke, clearly you want to join the Dubai version.

Here's a postcard.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentar..._paradise.html
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:21 PM   #83
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Ok, may I know what is the point you're trying to make, exept that you're confused and don't know it for your self?

BTW, the developer of Q1 is planing a TALLER version/replica for Dubai to be called D1, and to be build next to Palazzo Versace Hotel, also by an Australian developer. I wander what's your take on that.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:46 PM   #84
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Wow motherjones is damn dumb.

PS. USA invited bird flue come on?
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:48 PM   #85
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^ well its not currently under construction, so i guess most peoples take onit is that we dont give a ****.....

can we start a thread called "i cant be arsed with civilized discussion about the burjdubai, but want to make my voice heard when i babble total bollox"

back to the topic PLEASE
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Old March 20th, 2006, 01:14 PM   #86
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Wow! Who said that night shots at works are not nice?
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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:55 PM   #87
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If you want to go for maximum efficiency of floor space then you build a big boring square based tower shaped column (of which there are many - and there were 2 in New York that aren't anymore). Given that it's going higher than anything has before (and even though it's an area not known for typhoons and hurricanes) it's obviously sensible to have the tower taper the higher it rises.
Now a more sensible use of floor space would be a circular design (that tapers to combat wind loads as it rises).
2 spring to mind - the London Gerkin (aka Swiss RE?) and the "Metropolis? Tower" which was unfortunately never built (I think it was originally announced for Japan and then Hong Kong - the Japan crash of the 1990s killed that unfortunately). It was to be another 800-1000m tower.
So while the 3 wing shape is inefficient in terms of floor area it's still a magnificent looking skyscraper. It is also a cone shape for the last 50 floors or so as the 3 wings effectively dissapear by then.
The renders look absolutely stunning - and in reality I'm sure it will be even more awe inspiring... imho and all that.

PS. Love the night shot! Great work. PPS as a tip for people attempting these I suggest from bitter experience if it appears blurry (due to the long exposures) - rest it on something and use the self-timer that way it wont move fractionally when you press the shutter.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:14 PM   #88
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^ The camera was resting on something (the roof of my car ) and 2 sec self-timer was used. However the distance is almost 1 km and it was clouddy & dusty.

BTW, being mostly a residential/hotel tower, unlike commercial US/HK supertalls, the three wing structure maximise the view.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 08:46 PM   #89
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What floor is 100m?

Remember, construction photos show underground levels.

Thanks
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Old March 21st, 2006, 12:03 AM   #90
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scaling from my BD elevation, the floor slab for lev26 is 99.5m bove grd.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 06:11 PM   #91
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[IMG]http://i1.************/rmrxpx.jpg[/IMG]

very amazing picture, nice nocturnal view.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 07:37 PM   #92
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Woah! Awesome picture. :O
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Old March 21st, 2006, 07:54 PM   #93
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It is an amazing pic. Perfectly sharp considering the long exposure needed for such a shot. I wonder if the wings have slowed down a bit because they are having to change some of the climbing things that are used to pore the concrete... still - would have expected only one of them to have had to stop while the other 2 carried on.
It looks like the floorplates are now there for almost every floor now - even the ones in the core upto about 3 from the top.
I think SWFC is at least 10 metres ahead at the moment... of course we know which one will win in the end
I also would say that while SWFC updated it's design for the worse (changing the circular hole to a square / trapezoid shape) the design change for Burj Dubai is on the other hand definitely for the better!
In the early design the cone shape rose steelpy and then had a more stumpy top (floors 150-165?). The new design carries the cone shape to a sharper point (150-180+ imho). It definitely appears to be about 100m taller (705m -> 800m+).
I've seen enough renders of the two that I can spot which design is which a mile away
PS. Is it 150 floors of concrete and aprox 39 steel - after that the floorplate would appear to be about 5 metres across which would make for one hell of a weird office. Imagine a single thin lift and stairwell in the middle - and windows down to the ground on all sides... the ground over 700m away ;-)
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Old March 21st, 2006, 08:41 PM   #94
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I love this pic!!

BTW: How tall would the building be? 700m? 1000m?
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Old March 21st, 2006, 08:46 PM   #95
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700 to 1000!!!!

Nobody knows!!
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Old March 21st, 2006, 08:55 PM   #96
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Ok thanks, i hope that it would be 1000m
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Old March 21st, 2006, 09:04 PM   #97
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PS. Is it 150 floors of concrete and aprox 39 steel
just for the record, it is 154F of concrete, which equals to 575m.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 10:15 PM   #98
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scaling from my BD elevation, the floor slab for lev26 is 99.5m bove grd.
Thank you. I am looking forward to your diagrams soon. Getting close to April quickly!
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Old March 21st, 2006, 10:26 PM   #99
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I have seen a plan of the concrete structure. Each of The concrete
setbacks occurs on the same floor on all 3 wings. In other words, the concrete wings will be identical. I can only imagine that the "spiral" nature
and the ultimate height (and therefore the final proportions) will be fixed in steel near the ending of construction.

My guess is that the wing cores are waiting for the nosecones to catch
up before the reconfiguration can occur. In the mean time, I am sure they
are stepping up the podium work, which we so rarely get a glimpse of.




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It is an amazing pic. Perfectly sharp considering the long exposure needed for such a shot. I wonder if the wings have slowed down a bit because they are having to change some of the climbing things that are used to pore the concrete... still - would have expected only one of them to have had to stop while the other 2 carried on.
It looks like the floorplates are now there for almost every floor now - even the ones in the core upto about 3 from the top.
I think SWFC is at least 10 metres ahead at the moment... of course we know which one will win in the end
I also would say that while SWFC updated it's design for the worse (changing the circular hole to a square / trapezoid shape) the design change for Burj Dubai is on the other hand definitely for the better!
In the early design the cone shape rose steelpy and then had a more stumpy top (floors 150-165?). The new design carries the cone shape to a sharper point (150-180+ imho). It definitely appears to be about 100m taller (705m -> 800m+).
I've seen enough renders of the two that I can spot which design is which a mile away
PS. Is it 150 floors of concrete and aprox 39 steel - after that the floorplate would appear to be about 5 metres across which would make for one hell of a weird office. Imagine a single thin lift and stairwell in the middle - and windows down to the ground on all sides... the ground over 700m away ;-)
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 12:15 AM   #100
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I actually hope it doesn't hit 1000m since it would look rediculous. It looks perfect between 700 and 800m. Over 800 it's stretching it a bit and it starts to look less good as you get higher since the tower has to be thinner.
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