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Old March 22nd, 2006, 07:31 AM   #101
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I dont agree with you. I think the taller it is the better it is.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 07:47 AM   #102
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it's surprisingly fast.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 09:02 AM   #103
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The more I think about it, some of the renders of the mega projects suggest that Dubai will look remarkably like the city in Aeon Flux the movie, the SciFi megatropolis is being built as we watch. Will it be a Dystopian image or the opposite, Utopia by the sea, I guess we will have to wait ten years to find out?

I also wonder about the effects of sea level rise, the gulf region experienced a more dramatic effect due to sea level rise than many other regions just after the last ice age due to the shallowness of the slopes of the sea basin. If ice melt is accelerating as currently looks to be the case, the 1 or 2 millimeters rise per year may be more dramatic, this could effect Dubai badly. Could we be left with a load of spires sticking out of a shallow sea in two hundred years? Maybe business bay might become business shallow sea!
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 09:11 AM   #104
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you mean that Dubai will be flooded in the future?.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 12:12 PM   #105
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Then they'll just have to spend another few billion dollars building dikes around the city. Given that the Persian Gulf is almost a closed sea, they should not have too much trouble with storms, high tides and tsunamis (compared to such places as Japan and Central America).
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 05:31 PM   #106
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rising water levels are not only a problem in dubai, and do you really believe those towers will still stand in 200 years..
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 09:05 PM   #107
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The more I think about it, some of the renders of the mega projects suggest that Dubai will look remarkably like the city in Aeon Flux the movie, the SciFi megatropolis is being built as we watch. Will it be a Dystopian image or the opposite, Utopia by the sea, I guess we will have to wait ten years to find out?
Or maybe somewhere in between like any other city. There's a new video of one business bay that really reminds me of the Aeon Flux movie (was a good film but the ending sucked).
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 10:49 PM   #108
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One big bomb will take this down. Planes no, 90.0% of buildings can take a plane. Threat is also smaller, osuma want's middle east development.
One big bomb will blow anything up for that matter... although, I do agree that the threat of terrorist attack on this structure has to be minimal because of the location. think about it, Osama is probably happy that a middle east country is performing such an engineering feat like this and putting themselves on the map.. letting themselves be known!

90% of buildings CAN NOT take a plane... well it depends on the plane.. it your talking about a small Cessna, then fine... if your talking about a jet, then thats a different story.. what happened to the WTC was incredible, and it was amazing that they stood sooo long considering the consequences.. those were FLYING bombs (full of JET FUEL)! Its been said by many other engineers that most other buildings would have collapsed within moments of going through that (if not instantly).. by the way, the WTC was built in mind with taking the impact of a small Boeing jet.. I think it was a DC-7 (correct me if Im wrong), so those twins were quite mighty despite the supposed design flaws.. I also heard that they could withstand 250mph winds!! they werent as shabby as many people I hear nowadays make them out to be..

I dont know about the burj, but the designers did say that the Burj could withstand the same type of attack as the WTC took.. I dont know if I believe it... could it be because of the concrete?? no matter how thick that concrete is, the Burj is so thin towards the top, that it looks like it would take just as fatal of a blow as the WTC took if that same situation unraveled I hate to say it..

How do they figure out that sort of thing anyway?
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 11:49 PM   #109
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So apparently there was a riot and strike by the workers, here is an article with the details. I wonder if this will become large enough of an issue to affect the completion date.

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Workers Riot at Site of Dubai Skyscraper

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates


Construction on a skyscraper expected to be the world's tallest was interrupted when Asian workers upset over low wages and poor treatment smashed cars and offices in a riot that an official said Wednesday caused nearly $1 million in damage.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/22/D8GGPJJG3.html
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 11:53 PM   #110
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no, it is already solved and they are working again.

they need to take care of this, there have to be minimum wages in dubai.

we r discussing this in the UAE section:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=329695

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7725858
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 12:01 AM   #111
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 12:17 AM   #112
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To solve all these problems with the workers, etc, a minimum wage system MUST be put in place.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 01:26 AM   #113
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Back on part 12 I asked about fire emergencies and what kind of plans have been made to organize evacuation in a serious fire but didn't get any info.

Anyone know?
There must be plans...

I'd hate to go down those stairs...
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 01:41 AM   #114
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One big bomb will blow anything up for that matter... although, I do agree that the threat of terrorist attack on this structure has to be minimal because of the location. think about it, Osama is probably happy that a middle east country is performing such an engineering feat like this and putting themselves on the map.. letting themselves be known!

90% of buildings CAN NOT take a plane... well it depends on the plane.. it your talking about a small Cessna, then fine... if your talking about a jet, then thats a different story.. what happened to the WTC was incredible, and it was amazing that they stood sooo long considering the consequences.. those were FLYING bombs (full of JET FUEL)! Its been said by many other engineers that most other buildings would have collapsed within moments of going through that (if not instantly).. by the way, the WTC was built in mind with taking the impact of a small Boeing jet.. I think it was a DC-7 (correct me if Im wrong), so those twins were quite mighty despite the supposed design flaws.. I also heard that they could withstand 250mph winds!! they werent as shabby as many people I hear nowadays make them out to be..

I dont know about the burj, but the designers did say that the Burj could withstand the same type of attack as the WTC took.. I dont know if I believe it... could it be because of the concrete?? no matter how thick that concrete is, the Burj is so thin towards the top, that it looks like it would take just as fatal of a blow as the WTC took if that same situation unraveled I hate to say it..

How do they figure out that sort of thing anyway?
Just to clarify they actually planned for a plane as large as the ones that hit on 9/11 I believe. However, they assumed that such an event would be an accident, much like the previous incident with the ESB in 50's. They assumed it would be a jet coming into land in bad weather. Hence, they assumed it would be carrying little fuel. And that it would be flying at low speeds. I doubt the burj would collapse like the WTC did, mainly because of the shape. A structrual failure would probably result in the above section 'falling off' rather than total collapse. But I'm sure it has been planed for, we have much stronger materials, and much more sophisticated ways of simulating situations today. Lets just hope we never find out if that is enough shall way?

Back to topic, something needs to be done in Dubai to sort out the situations with the workers. There are too many people in the world who will exploit people for an increased profit without something to stop them. And more employees need to take action like this too force it through quicker.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 01:52 AM   #115
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Also Dubai will be a hub for a whole load of A380s. Imaginw what one of those filled up with fuel could do.

If it hit anywhere near the top it would cut straight through and the top would fall clean off. Not sure what would happen then
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:47 AM   #116
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Workers riot at Dubai skyscraper project

Workers complain of low wages, miserable conditions


Mar. 22, 2006. 02:51 PM
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Asian workers angered by low salaries and mistreatment smashed cars and offices in a riot that interrupted construction Wednesday of what is meant to be the world's tallest skyscraper — part of which will be a luxury hotel run by fashion designer Giorgio Armani.

The violence, causing damage estimated at almost $1.2 million Cdn, illustrated the growing unrest among foreign workers who are the linchpin of Dubai's building boom.

The rampage took place Tuesday night when some 2,500 workers on the emerging Burj Dubai tower and surrounding housing developments chased and beat security officers, then broke into temporary offices and smashed computers and files and destroyed about two dozen cars and construction machines, witnesses said.

When the labourers, who work for the Dubai-based firm Al Naboodah Laing O'Rourke, returned to the vast construction site Wednesday, they issued demands for better pay and employment conditions and refused to return to work. In a sympathy strike, thousands of labourers building a new terminal at Dubai International Airport also lay down their tools.

"Everyone is angry here. No one will work," said Khalid Farouk, 39, a labourer with Al Naboodah. Others said their leaders were asking for pay raises.

Skilled carpenters on the site earn just $8.86 Cdn per day, with labourers getting $4.66.

The riot was a rare outbreak of violence — but not the first sign of discontent among the foreign workers who form the overwhelming majority of private sector workers in most of the oil-rich countries of the Gulf. There have been strikes in recent months in Qatar and Oman. In April, Bangladeshi workers stormed their own embassy in Kuwait, protesting working conditions that human rights activists have denounced as "slave-like."

Millions of foreign workers have flooded into the Gulf countries, outweighing the population of citizens in Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. In Saudi Arabia, foreign workers make up about 21 per cent of the population of more than 26 million, but labour unrest among the workers is rare in the tightly controlled country.

In all the countries, the foreigners include professionals — doctors, scientists, oil workers and businessmen — skilled labourers such as electricians, and unskilled workers such as restaurant staff, maids and servants. Human rights groups have often decried abuse of low-paid foreign workers by their employers, particularly of women in domestic labour.

In the Emirates, where some estimates say more than three-quarters of the population of around five million people are foreigners, migrants from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China and elsewhere have provided the low-wage muscle behind one of the world's great building booms.

Dubai, one of seven Emirates making up the country, hosts some 300,000 South Asians working on temporary contracts in the construction field alone, helping propel it from a primitive town of 20,000 five decades ago to a gridlocked metropolis of 1.5 million — only 12 per cent of whom are citizens.

But the workers complain that their employers often withhold pay. They enjoy few legal protections and no minimum wage, work in the extreme Gulf heat, and many of them live in military-style desert camps, with too few government inspectors to ensure proper living conditions.

Angry workers in the Emirates held more than two dozen strikes over unpaid salaries last year, mainly in Dubai. The Labour Ministry responded with a crackdown on companies, helping win back pay and other benefits for workers in some cases.

Labour officials said contract-breaching firms were embarrassing the image-conscious Emirates by attracting condemnation from the United Nations, the United States and Human Rights Watch.

On Wednesday, crowds of blue-garbed workers milled in the shadow of the grey concrete Burj Dubai, now 36 stories tall, while leaders negotiated with officials from the company and the Ministry of Labour.

An Interior Ministry official who investigates labour issues, Lt.-Col. Rashid Bakhit Al Jumairi, said the workers were petitioning Al Naboodah, one of the Emirates' biggest construction conglomerates, for overtime pay, better medical care and humane treatment by foremen.

"They are asking for small things," Al Jumairi said. "I promised them I would sit with them until everything is settled."

Later Wednesday, a spokesman for Al Naboodah Laing O'Rourke blamed the violence on "misinformation and misunderstanding with some of our workforce."

The spokesman, Mark Way, said in a statement that the "issues have now been addressed and resolved" with the workers. He said the employees were returning to work. He gave no details on how the workers' complaints were addressed, and workers' representatives could not be immediately reached to confirm they were returning to the job.

The unrest marred what otherwise appears to be smooth construction of the Burj Dubai, which is to be a spire-shaped, stainless-steel-skinned tower expected to soar far beyond 100 storeys. A section of the tower is to hold a 172-room luxury hotel operated by Armani, the Italian fashion designer. The $900 million Burj is due to be completed by 2008.
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That´s worse than here in Brazil where a carpenter makes US$13.82 a day or US$ 337.75 a month.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 05:38 AM   #118
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i think every now and then we should post height milestones when Burj Dubai climbs its way skywards
atm its approx lev35/36 or 133m tall
this is about as high as Sydney Harbour Bridge! (134m)



just gives people an idea how high it is as its growing.
Great idea.

As for the events... Tower of Babel anyone??? Middle east, tower of nearly unlimited height, many races build, ego status, races all get pissed and stop construction. I know, it's very different and all, but still eerie.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 06:15 AM   #119
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I am not superstitious.

So no, no reservations at all. Build!
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 06:51 AM   #120
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Great idea.

As for the events... Tower of Babel anyone??? Middle east, tower of nearly unlimited height, many races build, ego status, races all get pissed and stop construction. I know, it's very different and all, but still eerie.
How tall was the tower of Babel? 300ft LOL.
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