UAE's Construction Worker Issues - Page 2

Krazy · March 24th, 2006, 02:30 PM

Thanks guys for your support. Now we need to spread the word to people outside of SSC. Someone suggested forwarding this to other socialist forums... please try n forward this to people on your address list, msn etc etc.

Bikes · March 24th, 2006, 03:15 PM

Krazy, i have put the petition on burjdubaiskyscraper, 500 different people reading the site each day, so lets hope for the best!

Naz UK · March 24th, 2006, 03:35 PM

Signed.

Is it a coincidence that the feedback section on the official Emaar website is not functional?

Its been down for the last few months....Hmmm...."lets show-off and build the world's tallest tower to piss on everyone's faces, but lets have a really shit website that doesn't function and let ppl give us feedback, coz we dont need ppl's feedback, we know everything already and we dont take advice from anyone..na na nana naaa!!"

Dickheads Emaar.

lovedubai · March 24th, 2006, 04:52 PM

Signed. Well done Krazy

Krazy · March 24th, 2006, 05:03 PM

Thanks Bikes. Guys over at dubaipropertyforum we need your help as well!

GoDubai! · March 24th, 2006, 08:08 PM

Signed!

That petition is worded excellently! Commendable. How did you draft that and put together that website so quickly? Hope more people will sign. Where do will go from here? By the way, I'll put a link on my website. Great job, Krazy.

Punjabi Mafia · March 24th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Signed.

antar abuauad · March 24th, 2006, 08:37 PM

Signed.

DUBAI · March 25th, 2006, 12:41 AM

I refuse to sign.

a] because i dont think the majority of construction workers are that upset with their pay. [those strikes the other day were not about pay, or working conditions belive it or not]

b] because it excludes workers in other industries, some of whom are treated far worse but casualy ignored.

c] the workers are their volentaraly and 88% renew there contracts

d]i dont think a manner this direct is by any means the best way to address the problem.

DarkBlueBoss · March 25th, 2006, 07:12 AM

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luv2bebrown · March 25th, 2006, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUBAI

I refuse to sign.

a] because i dont think the majority of construction workers are that upset with their pay. [those strikes the other day were not about pay, or working conditions belive it or not]

b] because it excludes workers in other industries, some of whom are treated far worse but casualy ignored.

c] the workers are their volentaraly and 88% renew there contracts

d]i dont think a manner this direct is by any means the best way to address the problem.

the burj dubai strikes werent about working conditions but about overtime pay and unpaid time for being on site an hour early and an hour late each day.

while i agree with you that a lot of the construction workers are okay with the system, to be fair, there has to be an option for those who are not okay with the system. remember, these people signed contracts and had to pay thousands in visa and travel fees, it is unfair to expect them not to be compensated if their employers renege on the terms of their contracts.

im unaware of workers in other industries that are treated worse. abused maids are worse but those are isolated incidents as opposed to the systematic abuse of worker rights. what kind of other industries are you referring to?

a manner this direct is the only way to solve a problem. previously, the government has done much to go after companies one at a time... but it simply does not have the ability to keep all companies in check. therefore, the workers must take control of the situation rather than wait for help that will not come.

GoDubai! · March 25th, 2006, 09:44 AM

I have seen reports--sorry cannot provide specifics of when or where--that the labor ministry had so few workers to actually visit companies that it served no pratical function with regard to monitoring company abuses. It was something like 3 officials for several hundred or thousands of companies. Then there are the courts which take years to settle disputes, if they settle them at all. So, there was virtually nothing in place to investigate worker complaints until a hotline system was introduced late last year. People need recourse and this is where the government has come up short.

DUBAI · March 25th, 2006, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2bebrown

the burj dubai strikes werent about working conditions but about overtime pay and unpaid time for being on site an hour early and an hour late each day.

No they were not!

there is no overtime on that site anyhow.

***z0rg*** · March 25th, 2006, 11:52 AM

If they don't like their jobs I suppose they are free to leave them and even to go back to their native countries where they will surely find better conditions

Commie thread.

DonQui · March 25th, 2006, 11:53 AM

dubaiflo · March 25th, 2006, 12:43 PM

luv2bebrown nick knows more about those riots than we do.

so he could be right.

kano · March 25th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z0rg

If they don't like their jobs I suppose they are free to leave them and even to go back to their native countries where they will surely find better conditions

Commie thread.

U talking crap

***Halawala*** · March 25th, 2006, 01:29 PM

These workers came to work under a contract, which was agreed upon under their consent.

Take it or leave it!

But, I am against deteriorating unhuman working conditions--but refuse to go as far as the proposal would say

kano · March 25th, 2006, 03:07 PM

What contact????? ...ask them if they were showed any contract...was the contract read to them.???????////...they came to work for money ...most cant raed or write ..... ,and if there are not paid fully for their long hours then there is no justice........ further .......they did not know the inhuman conditions they were going to be in......have you tried to talk to these people in their own lanaguage.>>>.Just like the developers dont tell us evertything when we buy apartments and villas ....these people are not told everything.......We may have the money to negotiate and decide ...these people dont...... . Sorry no disrespect intended!!!

GoDubai! · March 25th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Halawala... with all due respect, haven't you read others' posts where they mention that these companies in many cases are not honoring the terms of work that were promised. Some of them go months without paying salaries. This isn't what these workers signed up for!

Furthermore, they often can't "leave it!" without incurring further penalties--like a ban for 6 months on working in the country again, like threats from the company to withhold payments if they try to quit, etc. In many cases these guys work the first 2 or 3 months without receiving payment. This money is held by the company until the worker's complete their contracts. So, you see, if they just leave it, they lose 2 or 3 months pay just like that. This is a clear abuse of worker rights and this is not what people are signing on for.

March 24th, 2006, 02:30 PM	#21
Krazy Kool Kat Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 13,625 Likes (Received): 1	Thanks guys for your support. Now we need to spread the word to people outside of SSC. Someone suggested forwarding this to other socialist forums... please try n forward this to people on your address list, msn etc etc. __________________ Save Dubai's Workers! Click here and sign the petition!

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Naz UK Back in Blighty Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roswell, Area 51, Classified, United States of Americanisms. Posts: 4,201 Likes (Received): 0	Signed. Is it a coincidence that the feedback section on the official Emaar website is not functional? Its been down for the last few months....Hmmm...."lets show-off and build the world's tallest tower to piss on everyone's faces, but lets have a really shit website that doesn't function and let ppl give us feedback, coz we dont need ppl's feedback, we know everything already and we dont take advice from anyone..na na nana naaa!!" Dickheads Emaar. __________________ If you only watch one online video this year, let it be this one: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...+century&hl=en

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March 25th, 2006, 12:41 AM	#29
DUBAI Under the Burj Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Where the sun shines weakley Posts: 4,304 Likes (Received): 0	I refuse to sign. a] because i dont think the majority of construction workers are that upset with their pay. [those strikes the other day were not about pay, or working conditions belive it or not] b] because it excludes workers in other industries, some of whom are treated far worse but casualy ignored. c] the workers are their volentaraly and 88% renew there contracts d]i dont think a manner this direct is by any means the best way to address the problem. __________________ "Don't criticize what you can't understand" -Bob Dylan

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Bikes sababa Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Warsaw, Budapest, Berlin Posts: 4,147 Likes (Received): 112	Krazy, i have put the petition on burjdubaiskyscraper, 500 different people reading the site each day, so lets hope for the best!

March 24th, 2006, 04:52 PM	#24
lovedubai Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 500 Likes (Received): 0	Signed. Well done Krazy

March 24th, 2006, 08:08 PM	#26
GoDubai! Keep on building! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,091 Likes (Received): 4	Signed! That petition is worded excellently! Commendable. How did you draft that and put together that website so quickly? Hope more people will sign. Where do will go from here? By the way, I'll put a link on my website. Great job, Krazy.

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March 25th, 2006, 09:44 AM	#32
GoDubai! Keep on building! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,091 Likes (Received): 4	I have seen reports--sorry cannot provide specifics of when or where--that the labor ministry had so few workers to actually visit companies that it served no pratical function with regard to monitoring company abuses. It was something like 3 officials for several hundred or thousands of companies. Then there are the courts which take years to settle disputes, if they settle them at all. So, there was virtually nothing in place to investigate worker complaints until a hotline system was introduced late last year. People need recourse and this is where the government has come up short.

March 25th, 2006, 11:52 AM	#34
*z0rg* Ironborn member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pike Posts: 21,543 Likes (Received): 688	If they don't like their jobs I suppose they are free to leave them and even to go back to their native countries where they will surely find better conditions Commie thread. __________________ What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. List of skyscrapers in Shenzhen.

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March 25th, 2006, 01:29 PM	#38
*Halawala* Fairouzy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Doha Posts: 7,560 Likes (Received): 54	These workers came to work under a contract, which was agreed upon under their consent. Take it or leave it! But, I am against deteriorating unhuman working conditions--but refuse to go as far as the proposal would say

March 25th, 2006, 03:07 PM	#39
kano Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 659 Likes (Received): 0	What contact????? ...ask them if they were showed any contract...was the contract read to them.???????////...they came to work for money ...most cant raed or write ..... ,and if there are not paid fully for their long hours then there is no justice........ further .......they did not know the inhuman conditions they were going to be in......have you tried to talk to these people in their own lanaguage.>>>.Just like the developers dont tell us evertything when we buy apartments and villas ....these people are not told everything.......We may have the money to negotiate and decide ...these people dont...... . Sorry no disrespect intended!!!

March 25th, 2006, 03:14 PM	#40
GoDubai! Keep on building! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,091 Likes (Received): 4	Halawala... with all due respect, haven't you read others' posts where they mention that these companies in many cases are not honoring the terms of work that were promised. Some of them go months without paying salaries. This isn't what these workers signed up for! Furthermore, they often can't "leave it!" without incurring further penalties--like a ban for 6 months on working in the country again, like threats from the company to withhold payments if they try to quit, etc. In many cases these guys work the first 2 or 3 months without receiving payment. This money is held by the company until the worker's complete their contracts. So, you see, if they just leave it, they lose 2 or 3 months pay just like that. This is a clear abuse of worker rights and this is not what people are signing on for.

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