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Old November 28th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #3101
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That new corthouse is ugly as hell.One of the worst tower ever designed by Renzo Piano.
I miss the elegance of Aurora Place and other towers that he made.
Are you talking about this?

Personally I think it's very well-integrated to the Parisian urban fabric. Walking along the building should be pleasant which is hardly ever the case for a highrise in France. As always I will regret the lack of shops at the ground floor but it's a courthouse so I can understand.

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Old November 28th, 2011, 08:31 PM   #3102
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Are you talking about this?

Personally I think it's very well-integrated to the Parisian urban fabric. Walking along the building should be pleasant which is hardly ever the case for a highrise in France. As always I will regret the lack of shops at the ground floor but it's a courthouse so I can understand.
All I see is a massive skyscraper with no human scale.And I doubt walking along a glazing wall can be pleaseant,if that's what I see in the renders.I'll give a chance to Piano since his buildings usually are very pedestrian friendly.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 08:50 PM   #3103
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The area where the courthouse will be built.



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Old November 28th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #3104
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Coolest-looking courthouse I've ever seen!
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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #3105
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Apparently you don't know very well the mentality of the inhabitants of wealthy suburbs like Issy or Boulogne-Billancourt (in front of this project, on the other side of the river).... Because they have exactly the same mentality as inner Parisians.
(I know it especially because some of my friends, who grew up in Paris intra-muros, now live in Issy and/or in Boulogne, or in Medon which is located less than one km from those hypothetical towers)

So let's wait and see if those towers will be built... or not !



PS:Oh, and BTW, apparently there are already several opposition groups against this project...
I don't share your view!

Issy is not the 16th! yes very close to paris but they are less conservatives because you don't have there some old things like museums, monuments etc...

I passed last time there and issy is an urban zone which can see the emergence of new projects because a lot of companies are there.

I don't share at all your view

And cities like meudon have their comforted middle classes but the south of paris becomes a belt of urban development (real estate several projects) which take their part of parisian economic growth.

Perhaps in the quarters where your friends live the conservatism is a way of thinking to create a sort of "superiority complex" towards other people But the power is not in their hands but in ones of the investors

Issy is included in a belt to develop and this is the reality.

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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:38 PM   #3106
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Well, my sister works as senior executive at the French headquarters of a very large international company based at Issy-Val de Seine, my ex-wife used to work as senior executive as well at the headquarters of a very large French compagny based at Boulogne (pont d'Issy).... So, I think I know what I'm talking about regarding this district/area.

You can share my/their views or not, but next time you pass there, try at least to get off your RER train in order to meet some people who actually work and/or live there ... Then maybe you'll have a more relevant opinion about this area and its people.



PS: BTW, Development & real estate programs ≠ towers/skyscrapers, my dear Axel ! (and this area - Issy-Val-de-Seine - is a very good example about that)
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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:54 PM   #3107
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Biscornet / BP Architectures

Is there an architect who has not dreamed of designing a building for the Biscornet site, which lay abandoned for so long? Its location is truly spectacular: slightly set back from the Place de la Bastille, it lies where the rue de Lyon and the road running along the canal basin meet; on one side you have a perspective towards the Gare de Lyon, on the other a view of the Bassin de l’Arsenal.

http://www.archdaily.com/141803/bisc...architectures/
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:15 AM   #3108
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New renders of La Fondation Vuitton (U/C)



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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:54 AM   #3109
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Very good find Rue Quincampoix! Many thanks .
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Old November 29th, 2011, 01:10 AM   #3110
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You can share my/their views or not, but next time you pass there, try at least to get off your RER train in order to meet some people who actually work and/or live there ... Then maybe you'll have a more relevant opinion about this area and its people.

it's funny when i read you ! You probably know that you 're not the only one in paris i guess.

Then paris attratcs all people (a lot of come from province)

I personnaly worked the last 3 years in lille for a parisian based insurance company( some training sessions at the headquarters in paris and conventions in place like La cigale,Bobino,Espace 104... to dance drink champagne+ nights at hotels etc... ) and i have my girlfriend coming from Ile de france+ Myself used to have all sort of family connections since i was young( Belleville, carrières/poissy/villepinte or the 16th) then... i know Paris !

I don't deny certain way of thinking. But issy is a space that could see interesting evolution in the future more than in certain part of paris itself.

I still maintain that even your family members work at saachi & saaachi or andersen consulting & co ...or whatever!

Another clusters will emerge in the next 30 years and issy will be one of this potential place.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 02:57 AM   #3111
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it's funny when i read you ! You probably know that you 're not the only one in paris i guess.
[blah, blah, blah...Who cares !]
then... i know Paris !
Which is even funnier when we discuss with you Axel, it's your capability to change the subject every 5 seconds.. Because tell me where I mentioned the whole Paris (or Ile de France) ? .. since it was only about Issy-Val de Seine, an area which I know very well unlike you apparently: That was my point, and not about the whole Paris metropolitan area, dear !

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I don't deny certain way of thinking.
Yes you did, since you denied what I wrote about mentalities of the inhabitants of Issy and around ! (which proves what I've just written, btw)

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But issy is a space that could see interesting evolution in the future more than in certain part of paris itself.
Where did I say otherwise ?? (although that's a moot point IMO, but that's another story)

Again, I simply stated that conservative mentalities regarding tall buildings are exactly the same in the western suburbs of Paris (Issy and Boulogne included, and even inside the big companies based there) as in Paris intra-muros, which is true whether you believe it or not.

And I notice you added "in certain parts" (about inner Paris), which is a clever add since your previous post because indeed Paris intra-muros is not as monolithic/uniform in terms of urban projects/future development, as some people believe !




P.S. in order to close my point:
In terms of "conservative mentalities" regarding tall buildings, the Parisians/western Parisians make no exception in France, unlike you seem to believe. Here are some opinion poll results about that:

What the French people think about towers (64% don't want them to be built in our big cities, including 50% of the young people):
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Un sondage CSA, publié samedi dans Le Parisien, révèle en effet que 64% des Français seraient opposés à la construction de tours de plus d'une quinzaine d’étages, soit au moins 50 m de hauteur, dans les grandes villes françaises. [...] Même chez les moins de 30 ans, un sur deux redoute les tours.
AFP (2008)

What the Parisians think (62% don't want them to be built) :
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Traumatisée par Montparnasse et le Front de Seine, la capitale s'est confinée depuis vingt ans sous un plafond de construction de 37 m. Une limite que vient de faire sauter le maire PS, contre l'avis d'une partie de sa majorité mais aussi des Parisiens. Consultés en 2004, 62 % des parisiens s'étaient déclarés hostiles aux tours.
Le Parisien. (2004 & 2008)

What Parisian companies think (only 17% of them would be interested to move in tall buildings):
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Selon une enquête Médiamétrie* pour la Chambre de commerce et d'industrie de Paris publiée le 17 novembre, seules 17 % des entreprises parisiennes seraient prêtes à s'installer dans une tour aux portes de la capitale.
Actionco.fr (2008)

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Old November 29th, 2011, 03:39 AM   #3112
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Well, my sister works as senior executive at the French headquarters of a very large international company based at Issy-Val de Seine, my ex-wife used to work as senior executive as well at the headquarters of a very large French compagny based at Boulogne (pont d'Issy).... So, I think I know what I'm talking about regarding this district/area.
Ouah l'argument d'autorité...
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Old November 29th, 2011, 03:43 AM   #3113
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C'est toujours mieux que d'avoir pour seul argument (comme notre cher Axel) "j'y suis une fois passé en RER et donc je connais très bien cet endroit ainsi que la mentalité de ceux qui y travaillent et qui y vivent" ...
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Old November 29th, 2011, 03:49 AM   #3114
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Parcounet, dessine-moi un mouton.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:50 AM   #3115
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What Parisian companies think (only 17% of them would be interested to move in tall buildings):
17% is enouth to made a lot of towers, Paris is a big city, not a small town.
A percentage that could seem small still means a lot of people.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 10:08 AM   #3116
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I never liked the Louis Vuitton brand, however their building is really nice. I wish they'd make it a nice fashion museum.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #3117
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17% is enouth to made a lot of towers, Paris is a big city, not a small town.
A percentage that could seem small still means a lot of people.
Yep, but don't forget the 62% of Parisians who don't want those towers in their city......... So, it seems we're going in circles .
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:54 PM   #3118
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C'est toujours mieux que d'avoir pour seul argument (comme notre cher Axel) "j'y suis une fois passé en RER et donc je connais très bien cet endroit ainsi que la mentalité de ceux qui y travaillent et qui y vivent" ...


Again you 're a specialist concerning the ability to make a caricature of my words!

Is there someone here (french forumers and the others) to think it's possible to know an area just by taking the RER ?!

I'm not that dumb person sorry for you!

Concerning the height of towers do you know if there's a limitation at Issy les moulineaux ? Bouygues has a tower there if i'm right no?

Then if you have towers like this why in the next 30 years some others wouldn't appear?!

Some new clusters must appears in the parisian belt in the future and you know that they need some good transports connections (not so far from paris itself etc...)

PS: the surveys are not relevant because french young people have in mind HLM towers which was a failure in the social urban integration. Then a tower in france has immediatly a bad reputation in the inconscience of people

They don't have in mind place like Canary wharf ,The shard etc... towers which make londonian so proud.

I think the guys who lead the surveys should present them renders of what could be a beautiful tower today

I'm sure their opinion would change
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Old November 29th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #3119
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"londonian" wtf lol

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Old November 29th, 2011, 03:58 PM   #3120
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oh sorry
Do they know how each french citizens are called? No i guess
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