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Old April 1st, 2012, 05:23 PM   #3481
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No, not stupid at all! I have just returned from Paris and there is a noticeable lack of cranes on the skyline. In fact every time i visit Paris (every year) this is always the case.
You didn't pay proper attention then. Paris is a bigger city than London, so of course the cranes are more spread out than in London, but the Paris Crane Survey and the London Crane Survey show that there are actually more cranes in Paris than in London.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 05:27 PM   #3482
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Cranes are just awful for a nice city like Paris
Forgive us to not destroy the panorama of our beloved "ville Lumières"
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Old April 1st, 2012, 05:48 PM   #3483
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Awful or not, there are more cranes in the sky of Paris than in the sky of London. In fact Paris probably has the most cranes in its sky in the European Union.

This map shows the office developments with a floor space bigger than 5,000 m² which were either refurbished (light blue; in Paris "refurbishment" means an almost entire reconstruction of the building, with only the Haussmannian façades on the street left standing) or newly built (dark blue) between 1998 and 2004.



It's no wonder that Paris has the most office space in Europe:
[img]http://i44.************/345g9kp.png[/img]

And the highest office take-up:
[img]http://i44.************/9pu875.png[/img]

These things of course require lots of cranes, whether our English troll here chooses to ignore them or not when he visits Paris.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 06:04 PM   #3484
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Thanks you Brisavoine for these informations.

Do you have informations or pictures on Luc Besson project (its Cité du Cinema)?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM   #3485
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Thanks you Brisavoine for these informations.

Do you have informations or pictures on Luc Besson project (its Cité du Cinema)?








Inauguration : May 2012

http://www.lexpress.fr/culture/cinem...i_1058977.html

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Old April 1st, 2012, 07:59 PM   #3486
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Great news for la Cité du Cinema! Luc Besson has done a great job with the recent blockbusters coming out of EuropaCorp
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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:03 PM   #3487
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This project is great

When we'll know for the big mall "cité europa" in gonesse?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:47 PM   #3488
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:19 PM   #3489
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Paris is a bigger city than London
Metro Area Population:
London Metro Area Population 13,700,000
Paris Metro Area 11,200,000

City Limit Population:
London 7,500,000
Paris 2,200,000

In fact, of the 8 different definitions of what constitutes the size of a city, London comes out as being bigger than Paris in 6 of them...population density is the only area in which Paris ranks higher than London on a consistent basis.

So the award for 'fail fact of the day' goes to you.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:25 PM   #3490
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OMG, you guys are so annoying with your stats, rankings etc.... Paris and London are almost the same in size and population, and nobody cares about the number of cranes in the city.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:31 PM   #3491
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i noticed you used a diagram that includes all of Ile de France region. This is a bit like extending Greater London to include some of the home counties. Not really a like for like comparison.
The map I posted covers exactly the same territory as Greater London.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:33 PM   #3492
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Metro Area Population:
London Metro Area Population 13,700,000
Paris Metro Area 11,200,000

City Limit Population:
London 7,500,000
Paris 2,200,000


[img]http://i40.************/11llnit.png[/img]
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:39 PM   #3493
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You can post '' as much as you want, but the facts are out there on numerous sites, using Eurostat data, UN data and various economic survey data, and they all show London to be bigger than Paris in the vast majority of definitions.

So unless you are saying that you are correct and all the experts are wrong...in which case,..right back at you.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:41 PM   #3494
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and nobody cares about the number of cranes in the city.
Apparently some people do.

Time to debunk again that old canard 'no cranes in Paris'. Here are some of the cranes in the sky of Paris, for the English visitors who apparently don't open their eyes when they come to the City of Light.





(these two ones are actually my own pictures, taken from the train )














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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:44 PM   #3495
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:51 PM   #3496
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I was expecting to see parisian projects by clicking on this thread I made a big mistake ...
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:58 PM   #3497
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And soon, the tallest cranes in Europe.

[img]http://i39.************/wmm9p1.png[/img]
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:59 PM   #3498
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You have even included Forêt de Marly in your diagram above. Clearly not in Paris!
This is not "my diagram". This is actually a map of office developments in Paris created by the Paris Chamber of Commerce. I think they know a bit more about Paris than you.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:59 PM   #3499
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yeah it is a **** size contest..Paris clearly has the shorter one..so what? who cares?
Back to topic please or will strike.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 10:46 PM   #3500
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You can post '' as much as you want, but the facts are out there on numerous sites, using Eurostat data, UN data and various economic survey data, and they all show London to be bigger than Paris in the vast majority of definitions.

So unless you are saying that you are correct and all the experts are wrong...in which case,..right back at you.
Actually no... The UN world urbanization prospects put Paris ahead of London, as well as the OECD:
List of metropolitan areas in Europe (Wikipedia)

The problem in that discussion is that the UK office for national statistics doesn't publish any metropolitan area statistics, so we have no official figure for its actual size.

On the other hand, we do have statistics for both cities regarding urban areas, and Paris is officially bigger than London in that regard:

Cities work differently anyway. Paris is denser both in its central area and its suburban area. However, Paris is located in a low density region, whereas London surrounding countryside is a lot more populated. This doesn't necessarily mean its metropolitan area is larger though, as all those surrounding towns around London can have their own metropolitan areas by themselves.

I don't want to sound pushy, but I do have problems to consider how London could "feel" bigger. London is less dense, it has a smaller city center, its main avenues are narrower, the average building height is lower in the center. I guess it's all a matter of perception, but unless one considers Paris ends at the peripherique, I can't see how it could be "feeling smaller" than London.

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