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Old April 13th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #3641
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this is a very bold statement... and one that I don't particularly agree with.


Of course you disagree.... since all this is about a thing called "culture"... and not about a silly Landan/Brits über alles stuff...


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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:41 AM   #3642
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Old April 14th, 2012, 02:19 AM   #3643
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To end this silly debate, here are some facts.

Number of feature films produced in 2010 :
  1. India: 1274
  2. United States: 754
  3. China: 526
  4. Japan: 408
  5. France: 261
  6. Spain: 201
  7. South Korea: 152
  8. Italy: 141
  9. Germany: 119
  10. United Kingdom: 119
Source: http://www.screenaustralia.gov.au/re...acompfilms.asp

So yes France wins over the UK, but Europeans in general suck compared to Asians and North Americans.


According to the same source though, Europe as a whole produced 1,278 feature films. That's not so bad! We even surpass India thanks to the 4 Estonian movies.

I made a little graph for EU movies specifically.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #3644
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A map of 150 projets and realisation in Paris since 2001 :

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La carte "Architectures Paris XXIe sicèle" rassemble une sélection de 150 projets et réalisations innovantes, conciliant préoccupations environnementales et exigences architecturales.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #3645
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Great map

The recent projects done or u/c are remarkable.
The "grand travaux"(Louvre,Arche,Opera bastille,Grande Bibliothèque) of the 80's - 90's which have changed the face of paris were more iconic anyway.

The recent ones are nice projects but (except Louis vuitton) don't change drastically the face of Paris.

But I think they are a good contribution to our contemporary time.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:48 PM   #3646
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I think Nouvel's Philarmonie has the potential to become a global reference though.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #3647
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Oh come on!!

Admissions to cinema mean nothing other than people don't have that much to do on the nights off.

Nothing to do with quality of film.

Britains films industry is ultimately entirely linked with that of the US, Canada, Australia/New Zealand.

British movies use American funding, American movies use British actors, story lines etc.

Number of films is also entirely irrelevant.

You could be given funding to make 20 films but only have 1 that turns out any good.

Or you could be given funding for 2 films and both turn out great.

How many of those 260 films turned out to be great?

Nigeria is the second largest film industry in the World. BIGGER THAN HOLLYWOOD.

In 2010 when only 79 British movies were made they included -

Chronicles of Narnia
Clash of The Titans
The Ghost Writer
Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows I
Kick Ass
The Kings Speech
Robin Hood

Now - Take in the total WORLD-WIDE gross of the films made per country.

The UK is the largest FILM MARKET in Europe.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 03:15 PM   #3648
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Chronicles of Narnia
Clash of The Titans
The Ghost Writer
Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows I
Kick Ass
The Kings Speech
Robin Hood
For everybody, these films are american ones, where is the "UK touch" inside it ?
Ask Disney, WB, Universal, Weinstein, I'm interested by their answer. For most of them (all of them I would say) the money production is US so...
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Old April 14th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #3649
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Most movies produced these years are shits anyway so what are you guys competing for? Who is the most responsible for Europe's cultural regress?
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Old April 14th, 2012, 03:39 PM   #3650
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Yeah, another dick contest !
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Most movies produced these years are shits anyway so what are you guys competing for?


Quantity has nothing to do with quality, especially when we speak about movies, a lot of classic movies were big flop in box office ( Barry Lindon, Blade Runner, Dark City, Le Père Noel est une Ordure ... )
On the contrary, intouchables is just a shit movie and was a big sucess ()

Now please back to the topic.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #3651
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On the contrary, intouchables is just a shit movie and was a big sucess ()

Now please back to the topic.
I strongly disagree. The intouchables was a very good surprise. I imagined the usual stereotypical duet between two nice fellows, but the characters were a lot deeper than I imagined. It wasn't only a superficial comedy, there were also sad and intense moments, making you think about the sense of life.

By the way, "The intouchables" has recently surpassed Miyazaki's "Spirited Away" (In French, Le Voyage de Chihiro) as the world's biggest all-time success as a non-English speaking film.

And "The Artist" another French movie, won 5 academy awards in 2012 including best picture, best director and best leading actor.

But anyway, we're missing the point here. Cinema is an industry, with its financial assets, facilities and labor force. If Luc Besson's city of cinema project is that important, it's because it has the ambition to reach Hollywood studios standards in terms of production. I'm not saying it's easy, but we can appreciate the effort. It's not only a French project, it's a European project.

And yes European movie industry doesn't mean anything for now, but it's not totally silly to imagine it could in the future. Everything is getting globalized in these days. If China, India or Latin America can devellop a powerful movie industry, there's no reason Europe couldn't.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #3652
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Ecological :

Americans movies with a british touch, nothing else.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #3653
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Well, at the end of the day, let's have a non-British and non-French neutral source have the last say on this, shall we? That source is actually Australian, so there is no reason why it would favor France whatsoever (in fact the opposite would be expected).
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Cinéma Européen

In terms of global distribution, and hence also in terms of global social and cultural impact, European movies quite clearly take the lead, after Hollywood (of course). That's why, in the table above, the only two film industries whose per-country global box office admissions I've listed, are those of the United States and of the European Union. The global distribution power of all the other film industries is, compared to these two heavyweights, negligible.

Within the EU, by far the biggest film producer — and the most successful film distributor — is France. This is nothing new: indeed, the world's first commercial public film screening was held in Paris, in 1895, beating New York's début by a full year. Other big players are Germany, Spain, Italy, and the UK. While the majority of Joe Shmoe cinema-goers worldwide have always craved the sex, guns and rock 'n' roll of Hollywood blockbusters, there have also always been those who prefer a more cultured, refined and sophisticated cinema experience. Hence, European cinema is — while not the behemoth that is Hollywood — strong as ever.

France is the only country in Europe — or the world — where European films represent the majority of box office admissions; and even in France, they just scrape over the 50% mark, virtually tied with Hollywood admissions. In the other European countries listed in the table above (UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Netherlands, and Belgium), EU admissions make up around 30-35% of the market, with American films taking 60-75% of the remaining share. In the rest of the world, EU admissions don't make it far over the 10% mark; although their share remains significant worldwide, with 24 of the 31 countries in the table above having 3% or more EU admissions.

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http://greenash.net.au/thoughts/2011...ma-admissions/
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I think Nouvel's Philarmonie has the potential to become a global reference though.
I agree. Probably the most audacious building in Europe since the Guggenheim in Bilbao.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:21 PM   #3655
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I know I'm imagining a sad scenario (I hope we won't go this far), but if for some reason, Iskenderov decided to withdraw from Hermitage Plaza, what would be the chances for it to be taken over by another investor...? Could it have the same destiny than Generali tower (hopefully taken over by other investors by late 2012)?

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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #3656
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If Hermitage plaza pulls out I believe the project is just dead.
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Honestly Jex, without Iskenderov there is no Hermitage Plaza.
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A video about le tribunal de Grande Instance, PARIS

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I know I'm imagining a sad scenario (I hope we won't go this far), but if for some reason, Iskenderov decided to withdraw from Hermitage Plaza, what would be the chances for it to be taken over by another investor...? Could it have the same destiny than Generali tower (hopefully taken over by other investors by late 2012)?

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The real issue is the cost. Hermitage Plaza represents an investment of 2 billion €. I'm not sure many investors could throw that much money so easily.
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Citylights - Boulogne

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