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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #3661
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A video about le tribunal de Grande Instance, PARIS

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A map to understand the reconversion and the redevelopment of this site (Tribunal de Grande Instance included)

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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:50 AM   #3662
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It's practically a new city who is built in this sector.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:50 AM   #3663
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I know I'm imagining a sad scenario (I hope we won't go this far), but if for some reason, Iskenderov decided to withdraw from Hermitage Plaza, what would be the chances for it to be taken over by another investor...?
None, but he's not withdrawing. It's the project of his life. It's not the pet project of a big corporation who could ditch it easily if the members of the board change their mind. Here it's the developer's project of his life. He'll fight to the end. At this point I think only a toppling of Putin or a major assault by the French Socialists (unlikely, they'd run the risk of constitutional illegality) could stop it.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #3664
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i don't think socialists will do a "major assault" against Hermitage Plaza. There is better fights to win for next government.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:03 AM   #3665
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The real issue is the cost. Hermitage Plaza represents an investment of 2 billion €. I'm not sure many investors could throw that much money so easily.
This has been answered by now (Sacré Coeur, pay attention ). Asbolutely no Western bank, especially no French bank, will finance the project. Of course if Iskenderov had had to wait for French banks, with their conservative and wary usual attitude, the project would never have flied. No, we now know the project will be financed by Eastern banks (most likely some Russian banks linked to Putin, since this project is a symbol for the Kremlin + probably some Qatari and/or Emirati banks). So I wouldn't worry about the money. Qatar invests no matter what, no matter the costs, no matter the economic situation.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:13 AM   #3666
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SO(some number) is in great form today. He leaves less than 2 minutes before making some insignicant posts in the London thread after any post in this thread. The guy could have worked in an old-style bolt tightening assembly line.

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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:19 AM   #3667
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This has been answered by now (Sacré Coeur, pay attention ). Asbolutely no Western bank, especially no French bank, will finance the project. Of course if Iskenderov had had to wait for French banks, with their conservative and wary usual attitude, the project would never have flied. No, we now know the project will be financed by Eastern banks (most likely some Russian banks linked to Putin, since this project is a symbol for the Kremlin + probably some Qatari and/or Emirati banks). So I wouldn't worry about the money. Qatar invests no matter what, no matter the costs, no matter the economic situation.
Yes, I actually fully agree with this.

But anyway, now that Infra is empty and that the deconstruction is planned, the hardest part is behind us. If Iskenderov were ready at some point to drop out, it would have already happened.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #3668
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I just hope they get the cladding right, because frankly if the cladding is as dull and cheap as the Shard's cladding, then it will be a big disappointment, especially since the towers have such a huge surface of cladding, and there are TWO of them. They need to find a cladding that is very appealing to the eyes, since the success of these towers will depend almost entirely on the cladding (the shape of the towers in itself couldn't save the towers if they have a dull cladding). I hope Iskenderov is conscious of that.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:28 AM   #3669
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He's done it again. Just 2 minutes! The guy must have an atomic clock in his brain.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:29 AM   #3670
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He's done it again. Just 2 minutes! The guy must have an atomic clock in his brain.
Yes. Apparently multiple messaging and flooding aren't against forum rules.

SO143 can post 20 times in a row in an hour if necessary.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:37 AM   #3671
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I just hope they get the cladding right, because frankly if the cladding is as dull and cheap as the Shard's cladding, then it will be a big disappointment, especially since the towers have such a huge surface of cladding, and there are TWO of them. They need to find a cladding that is very appealing to the eyes, since the success of these towers will depend almost entirely on the cladding (the shape of the towers in itself couldn't save the towers if they have a dull cladding). I hope Iskenderov is conscious of that.
The risk always exists. However, I'm less worried about it for Hermitage than for other projects.

The thing is the structure of the façade is interesting in itself. It makes me think of Bank of China in Hong Kong:



Now of course, it can still be messed up. We haven't seen any cladding test yet for the project as it's been the case for D2, Majunga or Phare (and the three are promising).
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:50 AM   #3672
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It's practically a new city who is built in this sector.
Few pictures of projects

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Old April 15th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #3673
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That's not in the same area. Those are in the "quartier des Batignolles".

The project "CityLights" is located in Boulogne.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #3674
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The risk always exists. However, I'm less worried about it for Hermitage than for other projects.

The thing is the structure of the façade is interesting in itself. It makes me think of Bank of China in Hong Kong:
The Bank of China has the added value of its eye catching shape.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 03:06 AM   #3675
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I just hope they get the cladding right, because frankly if the cladding is as dull and cheap as the Shard's cladding, then it will be a big disappointment, especially since the towers have such a huge surface of cladding, and there are TWO of them. They need to find a cladding that is very appealing to the eyes, since the success of these towers will depend almost entirely on the cladding (the shape of the towers in itself couldn't save the towers if they have a dull cladding). I hope Iskenderov is conscious of that.
I thought you didn't want anymore London/Paris rivalry taking over this thread? What are you trying to do?
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Old April 15th, 2012, 03:12 AM   #3676
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You'll find out that nearly all the French forumers (and in fact most of the international forumers, from what I've read) find the Shard's cladding rather dull and disappointing. So I'm just stating the obvious. I think we would be all quite disappointed if the Tours Hermitage had the same sort of dull cladding. It's the sort of things that doesn't have too many bad consequences for a mere 160 meter tower half visible in the middle of La Défense, but it's something that would be truly disastrous for such conspicuous and tall towers as the Tours Hermitage that will be visible from nearly everywhere in Paris.
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You'll find out that nearly all the French forumers (and in fact most of the international forumers, from what I've read) find the Shard's cladding rather dull and disappointing. So I'm just stating the obvious. I think we would be all quite disappointed if the Tours Hermitage had the same sort of dull cladding. It's the sort of things that doesn't have too many bad consequences for a mere 160 meter tower half visible in the middle of La Défense, but it's something that would be truly disastrous for such conspicuous and tall towers as the Tours Hermitage that will be visible from nearly everywhere in Paris.
Not from what I've seen, but I'm not here to debate the merits of the building. You know exactly what you're doing, and given the trouble there's been recently I'd think you'd be a little more careful not to start the rivalry off again. Well at least that's what I'd expect from other forumers, but I've been around long enough to know different.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 03:35 AM   #3678
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I could have alluded to the dull cladding of a disappointing Chinese or Emirati tower instead, but most forumers wouldn't know them, whereas nearly all of them have seen pictures of the Shard's cladding already, so they immediately know what I mean (and most of them agree). Got it?
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Old April 15th, 2012, 03:53 AM   #3679
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As we talk about claddings. Here are some test which are interesting. I find them all of good quality.

Majunga tower (191m)


D2 tower (171m)


Phare tower (297m)
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Old April 15th, 2012, 04:25 AM   #3680
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The one cladding that has proven surprisingly good is Carpe Diem. It's the pleasant surprise of 2012!



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This shows the level reached by the concrete floors on April 10 (not the level reached by the cladding):
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