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Old April 15th, 2012, 04:31 AM   #3681
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You'll find out that nearly all the French forumers find the Shard's cladding rather dull and disappointing.
I wonder why.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 10:52 AM   #3682
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Nobody talks about (because it is not a skyscraper) but one of the biggest projet in La Defense is Basalte, la salle des marchés de la SG, not very high but very long.





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Old April 15th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #3683
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D2 and Majunga's claddings are about right but not piece of art either. I would say exactly the same from what I've seen about the Shard's and Hermitage Plaza's (well here it's about renders but I don't expect too much from the cladding), they aren't doing it wrong but the road taken for their cladding is far from daring and, as such, the claddings look common (good quality but common).

Phare's cladding looks fantastic, if built that would be hell of a daring building when it comes to design.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #3684
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I could have alluded to the dull cladding of a disappointing Chinese or Emirati tower instead, but most forumers wouldn't know them, whereas nearly all of them have seen pictures of the Shard's cladding already, so they immediately know what I mean (and most of them agree). Got it?
You want an actual discussion about the Shards cladding, go to the designated thread, see how many actually agree/disagree with your stance. I've seen more good than bad.

As for what you said here, you want more conflict. I don't know if you think you're being subtle, but you're agenda is always quite transparent. You're a baiter, brisavoine. You've been pulled up on it and you're trying to explain it away, but as I've said before I've been here long enough to know what you're like. This thread's been plagued with problems, and there are certainly bad eggs on both sides, but you're one of the ones who doesn't want the conflict to end. In fact you seem to thrive on it.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #3685
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As for what you said here, you want more conflict. I don't know if you think you're being subtle, but you're agenda is always quite transparent. You're a baiter, brisavoine. You've been pulled up on it and you're trying to explain it away, but as I've said before I've been here long enough to know what you're like. This thread's been plagued with problems, and there are certainly bad eggs on both sides, but you're one of the ones who doesn't want the conflict to end. In fact you seem to thrive on it.
..so why do the moderators tolerate his blatant & obvious trolling?
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #3686
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People, finally stop the offtopic trolling! I'll delete most of the posts of the last pages anyway, so spare the wasted time. Thanks.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #3687
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I could have alluded to the dull cladding of a disappointing Chinese or Emirati tower instead, but most forumers wouldn't know them, whereas nearly all of them have seen pictures of the Shard's cladding already, so they immediately know what I mean (and most of them agree). Got it?

Yawn.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #3688
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Basalte, la salle des marchés de la SG, not very high but very long.
This is an interesting project

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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #3689
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53,6 meters high but 160 meter long.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:14 PM   #3690
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if we could have the reversal proportion (160m high)
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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #3691
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Many thanks for your responses Mathieu/IndyG & Brisavoine. Actually, it's Jean-André Lasserre's promise which made me nervous, indeed he went:

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'... si François Hollande remporte les élections présidentielles en mai prochain beaucoup de choses changeront à La Défense.'
Is it really just ...?I'm not so sure...

PS: I also am worried for our amazing PHARE...
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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #3692
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'Jean-André Lasserre promet que si François Hollande remporte les élections présidentielles en mai prochain beaucoup de choses changeront à La Défense.'
change for the worst, isn't it?
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Old April 15th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #3693
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53,6 meters high but 160 meter long.

It's a good project, and looks nice too... Really nice skin to it.. Makes a nice change to the rest of LD which is showing its age not too well. Glad it's being built.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #3694
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Makes a nice change to the rest of LD which is showing its age not too well.
Always so good at making cutting remarks to us...

At least, La Défense has a 50 year history...it has a soul.

I'm used to going there quite often & every time, I'm loving it. When you know it well, you really appreciate it. I really am fond of La Défense, it's such an amazing place.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #3695
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Many thanks for your responses Mathieu/IndyG & Brisavoine. Actually, it's Jean-André Lasserre's promise which made me nervous, indeed he went:



Is it really just ...?I'm not so sure...

PS: I also am worried for our amazing PHARE...
I doubt La Defense will be Hollande's main concern. What is the current state of play with the election? Does he still look likely to win? I'm hoping he does but that's mainly down to his place in the political spectrum, I should probably look a bit closer at the details
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Old April 15th, 2012, 05:12 PM   #3696
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There are 2 rounds at the french Presidentials.

For instance, today's poll show that Sarkozy would be ahead in the first round with 28%, Hollande comes second with 27%.

For the second round, things are a lot different as François Hollande would become President with 54.5% while Nicolas Sarkozy would get 45.5%.

The 1st round will take place next sunday, the second round on 6 May.

There are 2 huge meetings today in Paris, Hollande at Vincennes & Sarkozy Place de la Concorde where at least 50 000 people are expected for each candidate.

Now, let's wait & see...

ps: polls are just polls but according to many specialists, Hollande has already won...
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Old April 15th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #3697
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Could either Sarkozy or Hollande clinch it by getting enough votes in the first round? Last question, I don't mean to turn this into a political thread, I'm genuinely interested in how these things are done across the channel.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 06:21 PM   #3698
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Full rendering extracted from the PDF

TRIANGLE:




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Could either Sarkozy or Hollande clinch it by getting enough votes in the first round?
No way ... Don't worry Newcastle dude, you did not bother me! Bye for now...
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Old April 15th, 2012, 06:39 PM   #3699
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You want an actual discussion about the Shards cladding, go to the designated thread, see how many actually agree/disagree with your stance. I've seen more good than bad.
Obviously, the people who go into that thread are people who are interested in that tower. People who are not, like me, don't go there and don't post messages. So the results are skewed. A more unbiased sample of opinions of the Shard you can find in the architecture section of the forum, like in the 'Best skyline in Europe' thread if I remember correctly. You'll see that many international forumers find its cladding rather dull and disappointing.

So far Hermitage has spent all the money needed, and defied (low) expectations, so I hope they'll also spend the money needed to make a world-class cladding that people really like. That's all I was saying.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #3700
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Many thanks for your responses Mathieu/IndyG & Brisavoine. Actually, it's Jean-André Lasserre's promise which made me nervous, indeed he went:

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'... si François Hollande remporte les élections présidentielles en mai prochain beaucoup de choses changeront à La Défense.'
Is it really just ...?I'm not so sure...
They cannot rescind the building permit. As I've already explained in the French forum, the only way they could stop it is if they passed a special bill in Parliament, but that would run the risk of constitution illegality (the Right would bring the bill before the Constitutional Council, no doubt). It's constitutionally illegal to pass a bil for a private matter that doesn't regard the common good.
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