PARIS | Projects & Construction

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by bnmaddict

Check out metropolitan and your proper posts on the this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=330430&page=3

Anything to say to your defence?

[brunob]

knock it off, you lot.

[Tricky]

any pics of that 400m+ tower planned for Paris??

[Mac]

Originally Posted by Jue

France's economy isn't in a mess. Yes, the government is trying to improve it, and stubborn unions want to maintain high unemployment, but that means little. France has been outperforming both the UK and Germany recently.

Obviously you dont read the economic reports that the rest of the world do...

[thoju75]

del

[Cyril]

Allez +2%, qui dit mieux ?

=> Back to the topic PLEASE !!!

[pedang]

impressive projects

[Metropolitan]

What about the Tour du Palais de Justice in Paris 13th arrondissement ?

I've read somewhere it was a proposed building of 115 meters (380 feet) of height. Does anyone have informations about this ?

As for the renovation of the Flatotel tower in the Front de Seine, I guess it should remain 98 meters, right ?

[Mac]

Originally Posted by thoju75

Frances economy is still positive(+2% in 2005)

1.4% actually.

[source26]

bon projets...

[Mosaic]

Paris's skyline is one of the best in western Europe.

[bnmaddict]

Originally Posted by Manuel

Check out metropolitan and your proper posts on the this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=330430&page=3

Anything to say to your defence?

Yes: "I don't understand what you're talking about."

[Sanchez]

who is going to occupy these new buildings? seems pointless considering your economy is clearly failing compared to london and frankfurt

[Metropolitan]

Originally Posted by bnmaddict

Yes: "I don't understand what you're talking about."

I also fail to see what's Manuel's point. Except to tell us that he despises us both, but I'm starting to get used to it.

[Cyril]

Buitoni, Bonne Maman, Flodor, Paté Henaff, Kanterbrau brands will

[Metropolitan]

Originally Posted by Sanchez

who is going to occupy these new buildings? seems pointless considering your economy is clearly failing compared to london and frankfurt

La Défense 2015 project is probably important in terms of height, but at the scale of the agglomeration, it's certainly less in terms of offices areas being built. There are currently real seas of lowrise office buildings which are created a bit everywhere in Paris area. As much in the inner suburbs : Seine-Arche (Nanterre), Val de Seine (Boulogne/Issy), Levallois-Perret, Plaine-St-Denis ; then in the outer suburbs : CDG airport area, Saint-Quentin, Marne-la-Vallée, Cergy...

Remember you're talking about a 10 million people city. We have certainly rioting youngsters, and demonstrating unions, but there's still an economy to sustain. Seriously, there's not much trouble when it goes about offices demand in Paris area. The sole question would be if La Défense 2015 would be competitive compared with other business districts. However, La Défense has always been attractive for companies due to its visibility. Knowing the business district will be vastly improved in terms of services and esthetics (circular ring being re-arranged into an urban avenue, greeneries being vastly developped, cinema multiplex and concert halls being built, and of course taller towers to be built, etc...) there are strong reasons to believe LD visibility and attractiveness can only increase with the project.

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by Metropolitan

I also fail to see what's Manuel's point. Except to tell us that he despises us both, but I'm starting to get used to it.

I was pointing at you two polluting threads in the french forums and then complaining about ppl obsession with London. Funny enough to be reported here.

Dont try to drag Bnmaddict with you Met. Why should we despise him? he's acting normal with sound ideas, interesting and relevant comments.

But you're totally right to say this is not the topic of this thread.

[rocky]

Originally Posted by Sanchez

who is going to occupy these new buildings? seems pointless considering your economy is clearly failing compared to london and frankfurt

hail to anti french propaganda

[brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Manuel

Ile De France has performed even more badly than the rest of France in the last decade.
London has outperformed almost consistently the UK growth rate during the same period, peaking at 5-6% a year.
The growth trajectory of the 2 capital cities has diverged sharply.

I don't understand this need by some people to always belittle Paris and everything French. To move beyond clichés, let's have a look at hard figures. According to the French national statistics office, Paris metropolitan area's total output (measured as GDP) registered 1.31% growth per annum between 2000 and 2003 (the last year available). According to Greater London Authority, in the same time period (2000-2003) Greater London's total output (measured as GVA, a measure identical to GDP) registered a 0.55% growth per annum.

Even if we skew the numbers in favor of London by including London's booming years of the late 1990s, there appears to be no particular discrepancy between both metropolises: Paris's output between 1997-2003 had a growth rate of 2.76% per annum, whereas London's output growth rate during the same time period was 2.95% per annum. The best year for Greater London was 2000 with 5.97% growth compared to previous year. For Paris metropolitan area the best year was 1999 with 5.58% growth compared to previous year. On the other hand, Greater London experienced recession from the fourth quarter of 2001 to the first quarter of 2003, whereas Paris experienced no recession. The worst year in Paris metropolitan area was 2003 with only 0.53% growth, whereas the worst year in Greater London was in 2002 with negative growth of -0.81%.

So the figures show that this idea of London outperforming Paris is simply a myth, albeit a widespread one, like so many other urban myths. Now let's stop belittling Paris and get back to Paris skyscrapers projects please.

[Sanchez]

and where are you getting those figures from?