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Old October 21st, 2006, 03:34 PM   #401
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Is this about the new court hall (Palais de Justice) ?

246 meters... how the height can be so specific ? Did an architect already design a tower for this ? Anyway, this is indeed possible knowing the mayor would like to build towers in Paris but there's still the height limit in the city proper which remains an issue.

Anyway, avenue de France actually means right behind the Bibliothèque. I'm personally not fan of tall skyscrapers standing alone, but I must confess that this is one of the few locations inside Paris that wouldn't be so bad for a skyscraper (the other decent location being nearby Tour Montparnasse).

By the way Brisavoine, where have you heard about this ?
Metropolitan, the skyscraper I was referring to is the Hypergreen Tower, that's why I gave an exact height. Contrary to what Cyril says, the Hypergreen Tower is not rumored to be built in La Défense, not that I know of. It's just what some skyscrapers enthusiasts would like, but I don't think there's any plan for the Hypergreen Tower in La Défense. On the other hand, it was leaked out that Ferrier, who designed the Hypergreen Tower, proposed to build his Hypergreen Tower on the Avenue de France, in the 13th arrondissement of the City of Paris. The idea is seriously being considered in city hall. Bertrand Delanoë, the mayor of Paris, would certainly like to finish his 1st term in 2008 with some bold announcements. This 246 m (807 ft) skyscraper wouldn't be standing immediately behind the National Library of France, it would stand further down the Avenue de France, near the Périphérique freeway. Still, if they build it, it will be very visible from the Latin Quarter and from Notre Dame area.

Issy-les-Moulineaux local council is also very interested in the Hypergreen Tower, and normally we're supposed to know if they build one in Issy by the end of December. I don't know if it's possible that both Issy and the City of Paris build this skyscraper. It would be a bit odd. The site for the Hypergreen Tower in Issy is located 8.5 km (5.3 miles) to the west of the site on the Avenue de France.
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 08:29 PM   #402
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paris is on the rise!
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 08:58 PM   #403
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Seen from Notre Dame:


Seen from the Eiffel Tower:


Seen from Chinatown:


IT'S SO GOOD!!! OUAHHHHHHH

PARIS, really A GLOBAL CITY ......
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 09:38 PM   #404
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Yes, if they don't mess up the tour signal, we will truly have one hell of a skyline in ten years!!
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Old October 24th, 2006, 12:42 AM   #405
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According to the latest news, the height of the Generali tower should be at 308 meters, hence taller than on the renderings above.
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Old October 24th, 2006, 12:44 AM   #406
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308m?

wow!
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Old October 24th, 2006, 01:52 AM   #407
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308m?

wow!
Indeed. Actually, I'm very happy that the Tour Générali will reach that height because its spire is so massive that it really needs to be tall in order to be esthetic.

Here's a little picture on which it appears approximately at its good height :



Just to clarify things, here's the list of future towers which have been added to the image:
  • Tour Générali (308 m)
  • Renovated AXA (225 m)
  • Tour T1 (185 m) under construction
  • Tour Granite (183 m) under construction
  • Hôtel Méridien La Défense (83 m)
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Old October 24th, 2006, 01:21 PM   #408
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this has something frankfurt-esque to it. tour generali, the commerzbank of paris (new pinnacle, spire, etc)
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Old October 24th, 2006, 02:33 PM   #409
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According to the latest news, the height of the Generali tower should be at 308 meters, hence taller than on the renderings above.
308 meters, now this is really something! That's 1,010 feet for those not used to metric. I checked on the French forum, the information comes from a very good source whose identity cannot be disclosed. The guy who quoted this source has provided accurate information in the past.

What's crazy to me is that this Generali Tower, which nobody knew about only 3 weeks ago, will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (discounting the antenna). If we count the Eiffel Tower's TV antenna, then the Eiffel Tower is 16 meters (52 feet) taller. This tower could also become the tallest skyscraper in Western Europe, depending on the exact final height of the London Bridge Tower (some sources say 310 meters, other sources say 306 meters).

How can it be that French authorities reduced the height of the "tour signal" ("iconic tower") of La Défense from 400 m. to 300 m., supposedly because some "people in the higher spheres" were afraid it would be taller than the Eiffel Tower, and now Generali is building this tower out of the blue. This is beyond me. In any case, if the "tour signal", whose design will be selected in the end of November, is indeed only 300 meters, it will be a rather grotesque situation: we'll have a "tour signal", hailed as the new beacon of La Défense, shorter than the Generali Tower. Unless of course France2 TV channel were right last month when they reported that the "tour signal" would be around 350 meters (1,150 ft). Then, things would make more sense. Answer in about 30 days from now.
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Old October 24th, 2006, 03:38 PM   #410
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What was the name of the 400m tower proposed for La Defense in the 80's/90's?
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Old October 24th, 2006, 03:45 PM   #411
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What's crazy to me is that this Generali Tower, which nobody knew about only 3 weeks ago, will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (discounting the antenna). If we count the Eiffel Tower's TV antenna, then the Eiffel Tower is 16 meters (52 feet) taller. This tower could also become the tallest skyscraper in Western Europe, depending on the exact final height of the London Bridge Tower (some sources say 310 meters, other sources say 306 meters).
According to the official site it is 310m, though I expect the Tour Signal will be taller anyway. Which design will be better though, we will have to wait until November
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Old October 24th, 2006, 03:58 PM   #412
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What was the name of the 400m tower proposed for La Defense in the 80's/90's?
It was called "Tour Sans Fin(s)" (tower without ends / endless tower).
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Old October 24th, 2006, 04:29 PM   #413
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Thanks Cyril
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Old October 24th, 2006, 08:06 PM   #414
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A diagram of Paris' highest towers.

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Old October 24th, 2006, 09:36 PM   #415
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Updated renderings: I've increased the height of the Generali Tower to 308 meters (1,010 feet), which we now know should be its actual height. This time, I've placed the "tour signal" at 350 meters (1,150 ft) to give an idea of how it would look compared to the Generali Tower. Again, the design of the "tour signal" is as yet unknown.

Seen from Notre Dame (the renovated 225m/738ft AXA Tower is shown):


Seen from the Eiffel Tower (the renovated AXA Tower is not shown):


Seen from Chinatown (the renovated AXA Tower is not shown):
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Old October 24th, 2006, 10:58 PM   #416
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BEFORE / AFTER

I've taken this picture from the 31nd flor of the Ariane tower.



It's about 300m tower here:
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Old October 24th, 2006, 11:53 PM   #417
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Do you have more pictures from the top of the Ariane?
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Old October 26th, 2006, 12:47 AM   #418
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Yes, if they don't mess up the tour signal, we will truly have one hell of a skyline in ten years!!
Both the Generali tower and the "signal" tower are supposed to go up by 2008, we'll have a hell of a skyline in less than 5 years!
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Old October 26th, 2006, 01:48 PM   #419
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One of our good informants in La Défense reported on the French forum that the Tetris building, built in 1983, is set to be demolished and replaced by a skyscraper whose characteristics (height, design) are totally unknown at the moment. This is part of the La Défense revival plan which involves the destruction of 8 to 9 buildings and towers to be replaced by 8 to 9 skyscrapers, as well as the construction of three skyscrapers on currently empty lots. All of this is due to happen before 2013. So far we know the Iris building will be demolished and replaced by the Generali Tower. Apparently the Tetris building is next in line. Our informant also hinted that a building currently occupied by French bank BNP will also be demolished, but I don't know which building he's referring to.

Here is the Tetris building:


On this picture, the Tetris building stands to the left of the CBX Tower and is hidden behind the "GE Real Estate" building. The skyscraper replacing it should stand taller than the "GE Real Estate" building, and probably also taller than the CBX Tower, considering the heights now adopted in La Défense. This should give to this part of La Défense an urban canyon effect quite reminiscent of some streets in Lower Manhattan.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 02:23 PM   #420
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The replacement of Tetris is nothing new, it will not be a skyscraper, the building would be too close to its neigbors.

This is what will replace it :
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