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Old December 3rd, 2006, 04:06 AM   #521
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I like this new tower
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 07:39 AM   #522
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wow, so they increased the height by 30 meters?!
That's even better, now they can boast to have the tallest tower in France, any way conceivable, there won't be a roof or spire debate.
And it will be interesting to see the renders you and Metropolitain make, for some reason I think that Generali's roof is lower than 250m high
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 01:42 PM   #523
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The height is actually 159m and will be 225m, so they increase the height by 66m precisely
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 01:59 PM   #524
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66.11m precisely...
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 02:43 PM   #525
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A model of this tower that I did yesterday :

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Old December 3rd, 2006, 05:22 PM   #526
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The height is actually 159m and will be 225m, so they increase the height by 66m precisely
No, I meant they increased the total height of the renovated tower by 30m, since at first it was supposed to be 215m tall (or was it 225m?), including the spire
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 05:34 PM   #527
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225m is the "roof" height, without the spire.
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 09:03 PM   #528
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No, they are not planning to replace some Haussmannian buildings (or mansard-roof buildings as you put it), not that I know of. The buildings that would be destroyed are 1970s and 1980s buildings.

That being said, even if they planned to destroy some Haussmannian buildings, that wouldn't be the end of the world you know. Paris has like thousands of Haussmannian buildings. IMHO, it's ok to destroy a few of them here and there to make room for new buildings, as long as the new buildings are high quality. Otherwise, if we consider that each and every Haussmannian building is sacred and must remain till the end of times, then Paris becomes a museum, and Parisians become museum keepers. No, thanks.
I'm against any demolition of historic buildings.The Haussmanian buildings are what makes Paris look Paris,so destroying these buildings is destroying the soul of the city.Glassy buildings can be found in any big city in the world,but the "sea of mansards" can only be seen in Paris.That doesn't mean the city has to be a museum city with no modern architecture,you guys have LD and there are always crappy 60's buildings waiting for the wrecking ball,like in this project.BTW I was looking at the diagram and here's a comparison with an aerial:




I couldn't find a picture showing the other side of the avenue,but looking at the diagram it seems some old buildings will be demolished:

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Old December 3rd, 2006, 09:46 PM   #529
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Phobos, of course I am opposed on destroying a lot of those Haussmanian buildings, and most boulevards should be undisturbed, but why not have some fun on some of them, Paris has so many avenues that are just so banal from one to the another, having a little diversity in a few of them won't hurt Paris, I mean, a lot of them already have some concrete monstrosities from the 60s that can be replaced IMO
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Old December 4th, 2006, 01:06 AM   #530
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If highrise buildings would be built in Neuilly, it will certainly not be on locations of Haussmanian buildings. That's for sure. This would never be accepted neither by the population, nor by the mayor. While there are many Haussmanian buildings on the avenue Charles-de-Gaulle, the avenue is far to be 100% made of them. Many new buildings have been built very recently on that avenue, and none has replaced something Haussmanian.

There's largely enough ugly buildings from the 60's/70's on that avenue to build new highrise instead. There's absolutely no need to touch to Haussmanian architecture. Actually, on the opposite, keeping Haussmanian buildings would emphasize even more the progressivity of the changing environments, from the Haussmanian to the skyscraper.

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Old December 4th, 2006, 05:32 PM   #531
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La Défense 2013



The Phare tower is not shown..or is it hidden in the background?
Btw T1 and Granite towers are not shown either.
BTWww the 15 demolished and rebuilt towers are not shown either
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Old December 4th, 2006, 05:57 PM   #532
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The same image at higher resolution, coming from today's edition of the French newspaper Le Figaro. As Cyril already mentioned, only the Generali Tower, the new AXA Tower, and the smaller Nobel Tower are shown. The location of the "tour Phare" (aka "tour signal"), the Granite Tower, and the T1 Tower are indicated. The Ministry of Public Works tower as well as the other towers that will be reconstructed are not indicated.

For each tower, Le Figaro indicated the total floor area, as well as the following information:
- Hauteur (height)
- Livraison (due to open in)
- Maître d'ouvrage (developer)
- Architecte (architect)

Enjoy.

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Old December 6th, 2006, 04:38 PM   #533
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I couldn't find a picture showing the other side of the avenue,but looking at the diagram it seems some old buildings will be demolished:

Well, the non-hausmannian buildings by taller ones will not be easy in Paris. Paris does not have wide street (avenues, yes but not streets), building are really close one another so building high would pose some problem, more than in NY, except if you set the same kind of legislation. And the proximity of historical monuments would make this pretty hard within the 11 inner districts.

Also, there are great areas to redevelop that are only made out of hausmannian buildings... To renew them (the floors are 120 years old!) you have to totally destroy the floors, while keeping the outside wall up, and rebuild inside. That has a huge cost. I'd be curious to see if it is possible to make a tower out of such a structure, with a hausmanian base... But I guess you are aware, Phobos, that these ideas are somewhat un-PC in Paris!

Otherwise, I'm thinking, that rebuilding & densifying the suburbs is much easier, and that a new infrastructure (like Metropherique) would make it more interesting than inner Paris for investors. So this futuristic view may not become a reallity inside Paris so soon...

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Old December 6th, 2006, 04:57 PM   #534
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So this futuristic view may not become a reallity inside Paris so soon...
The above rendering is not inside the City of Paris. It's in Neuilly-sur-Seine, juste across the Seine river from La Défense. Re-read the previous messages.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 05:04 PM   #535
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Well, the non-hausmannian buildings by taller ones will not be easy in Paris. Paris does not have wide street (avenues, yes but not streets), building are really close one another so building high would pose some problem, more than in NY, except if you set the same kind of legislation. And the proximity of historical monuments would make this pretty hard within the 11 inner districts.

Also, there are great areas to redevelop that are only made out of hausmannian buildings... To renew them (the floors are 120 years old!) you have to totally destroy the floors, while keeping the outside wall up, and rebuild inside. That has a huge cost. I'd be curious to see if it is possible to make a tower out of such a structure, with a hausmanian base... But I guess you are aware, Phobos, that these ideas are somewhat un-PC in Paris!

Otherwise, I'm thinking, that rebuilding & densifying the suburbs is much easier, and that a new infrastructure (like Metropherique) would make it more interesting than inner Paris for investors. So this futuristic view may not become a reallity inside Paris so soon...
The fact streets are narrow is not true in Neuilly-sur-Seine, which is the municipality where some people currently consider the idea about building skyscrapers. Furthermore, this project is specific to the avenue Charles-de-Gaulle which is very wide and directly following the esplanade of La Défense.

On that avenue, there are already buildings up to 12 floors that most people don't even notice. That's not that tall of course, but building few highrises buildings at the entrance to La Défense to make it less brutal and more progressive wouldn't increase contrasts, it would actually be the exact opposite. I honnestly believe that the connection between Haussmanian buildings and modern skyscrapers shouldn't be feared. Honnestly, the 60's or 70's buildings which would be replaced by highrise buildings.
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Old December 7th, 2006, 12:05 AM   #536
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Vision..proposal..or project?

The Freaks Towers, Porte de Bagnolet in Paris City (??) or more likely in Bagnolet ?
EDIT: I've checked on a map. Those towers would NOT be in Paris city but in Bagnolet.



We've known for a few months that Bagnolet wants to build at least one highrise on its territory. Are those towers the expected project?
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Old December 7th, 2006, 12:29 AM   #537
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ooooh, me-likey!
Even better that they apparently dream to build them near the Mercuriales!
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Old December 7th, 2006, 12:30 AM   #538
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there's 99% chance it's a mere vision imo.
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Old December 7th, 2006, 11:56 PM   #539
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We have news about Generali Tower. It is confirmed that the tower will be 300m height from.....the esplanade.



According to our prevision from these new informations (and this official draw, -we just had the coloured elements)...the tower must be 318meters height from ground (0 level)! May be the future taller skyscraper of West Europe?

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Old December 8th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #540
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Welcome EyOne and thanks for the news
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