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Old December 8th, 2006, 02:43 PM   #541
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How do you figure that it is 318m? It only looks like 300m to the very tip of the spire to me?
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Old December 8th, 2006, 02:51 PM   #542
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It's 300 meters from the concrete slab, but 318 meters from street level. The concrete slab is 18 meters above street level.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:00 PM   #543
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We have news about Generali Tower. It is confirmed that the tower will be 300m height from.....the esplanade.
The tower will not be fully covered by the esplanade, on the Northern side, the tower will be next to the circular boulevard, at ground level. This case is very similar to the CBX Tower. I just say so because it's not clear on the diagram you've posted.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:13 PM   #544
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Another tower of 240 meters is studied for the Southern side of La Défense. The promoter will be Unibail and the architect will be Viguier.

There's no official rendering yet.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:17 PM   #545
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It's amazing!

In 1.5 months, we have had 3 new projects of towers in LD:
- GENERALI: 318m
- PHARE: 300m
- UNIBAIL project: 240m

And we also have the 225m CB31/New AXA which will be U/C soon!
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:25 PM   #546
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It's amazing!

In 1.5 months, we have had 3 new projects of towers in LD:
- GENERALI: 318m
- PHARE: 300m
- UNIBAIL project: 240m

And we also have the 225m CB31/New AXA which will be U/C soon!
And there's also the Ministry of Equipment which should be around 200 meters.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:31 PM   #547
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With what we've learnt yesterday about Generali's height, it now looks like the Generali Tower is set to become the tallest skyscraper in Western Europe (unless the tour signal, aka tour Phare, which is also built above a concrete slab, turns out to be slightly taller than Generali).

Here's a little rendering showing the Generali Tower at exact height compared to Western Europe's tallest skyscrapers (LBT and Bishopgate proposed in London, and Commerzbank and Messeturm already built in Frankfurt):

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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:48 PM   #548
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Why is it on a big concrete slab? Is the slab actually going to be inhabited?
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:49 PM   #549
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Another tower of 240 meters is studied for the Southern side of La Défense. The promoter will be Unibail and the architect will be Viguier.

There's no official rendering yet.
It will be like this :
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5279/unibail2kx1.jpg
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:52 PM   #550
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Why is it on a big concrete slab? Is the slab actually going to be inhabited?
All of La Défense is built above a concrete slab. Have you ever been to La Défense? That was very "fashionable" back in the 1960s, building entire new neighborhoods above giant concrete slabs, with car traffic below the slab, and pedestrian traffic above the slab. The inside of the La Défense giant concrete slab is a maze of motorways/freeways, access roads, subway lines, commercial malls, parking lots, empty spaces, maintenance spaces, and many other things that they don't tell us.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:59 PM   #551
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So are you saying all of the towers actual heights are actually 18m less than what is always posted? Do they all include the 18m from underneath La defense?
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Old December 8th, 2006, 04:02 PM   #552
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With what we've learnt yesterday about Generali's height, it now looks like the Generali Tower is set to become the tallest skyscraper in Western Europe (unless the tour signal, aka tour Phare, which is also built above a concrete slab, turns out to be slightly taller than Generali).

Here's a little rendering showing the Generali Tower at exact height compared to Western Europe's tallest skyscrapers (LBT and Bishopgate proposed in London, and Commerzbank and Messeturm already built in Frankfurt):

Well, the Shard will still be the tallest tower from the bottom of the structure to the top will it not? Generali is in escence a 300m structure from the bottom of it to the top, although it has a taller AGL height as it is built on 'the esplanade'
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Old December 8th, 2006, 04:15 PM   #553
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Well, the Shard will still be the tallest tower from the bottom of the structure to the top will it not? Generali is in escence a 300m structure from the bottom of it to the top, although it has a taller AGL height as it is built on 'the esplanade'
Generali will not built form the "esplanade" but from the real ground.
As Metropolitan said "The tower will not be fully covered by the esplanade, on the Northern side, the tower will be next to the circular boulevard, at ground level."

The draw learn us that the tower will be 300m height form esplanade (pedestrian entrance of the tower) but the tower is based on the real ground (under the esplanade) > She will be built on real ground, not on esplanade >> 300 meters from entrance but 318 meters from the base.

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Old December 8th, 2006, 04:15 PM   #554
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Generali will be build on the verge of LD huge concrete slab so it will have an access from the top of the slab, but will also be on the side of a street 18meters below...

Indeed, it will be THE HIGHEST SKYSCRAPER OF WESTERN EUROPE!!!

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Old December 8th, 2006, 04:22 PM   #555
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Oh, OK. I stand corrected.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 05:59 PM   #556
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So are you saying all of the towers actual heights are actually 18m less than what is always posted? Do they all include the 18m from underneath La defense?
Not at all.

The esplanade is just the main "avenue" of La Défense, it is elevated. However, towers aren't built on the esplanade ! Towers are built beside the esplanade, with their main entrance being at the level of the esplanade. As a result, the main entrance of buildings isn't at the 1st floor, there are above ground floors which are below the main entrance.

Here is a picture of CBX Tower where you see well how it works. The bridge is at the level of the esplanade where is located the main entrance of the tower, but it would be silly to consider that the height of the tower starts at the level of the esplanada (aka at the level of the bridge).


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Old December 8th, 2006, 06:04 PM   #557
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Right, thanks. It's a bit confusing at first.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 06:26 PM   #558
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One thing. If access to the tower (receptio, atrium whatever) is on the esplanade, then am I correct in assuming it is the basement levels exposed to the roads at 'ground level'?
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Old December 8th, 2006, 06:36 PM   #559
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The part under the slab is only the car parks, so definitively not the tower. So I really don't see why you all want to add 18 meters to the structure. The tower height will be 300m from the slab.
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Old December 8th, 2006, 06:41 PM   #560
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I'm so confused...
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