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Old January 27th, 2014, 02:08 AM   #6141
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I actually live in Paris.
So do I. But that doesn't automatically add any extra validity to an argument, which has to stand on its own.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #6142
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So do I. But that doesn't automatically add any extra validity to an argument, which has to stand on its own.
Funny that in the first place you had to hastily and wrongly state that I didn't know Paris because you dislike my opinion, but you need to point out that you live there too. Unlike you, I have no power and control issue on who is allowed to express something in these pages. And I do not automatically consider that other people not sharing my opinion are less knowledgeable than me.

As I said, it is a personal aesthetic opinion. I am keen on Paris visual unity legacy. I fully agree that areas need improvement, but not only functional. Legacy should be more respected, and international crap avoided.

Now, if you are looking for an argument opponent to give a good fight, I have no time sorry
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Old January 27th, 2014, 11:28 AM   #6143
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Tramway / T5

A map of all tramways in Paris:

Does anyone know why there is german scripture on the map?
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Old January 27th, 2014, 03:20 PM   #6144
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Maybe because Germany isn't very far from Paris ? Maybe thanks to franco-german relationship ?

Why this question ?
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Old January 27th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #6145
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The Grand Paris valided by the Conseil Constitutionnel.

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Le Conseil Constitutionnel valide la loi créant le Grand Paris

Concernant la métropole du Grand Paris, instaurée par la loi au 1er janvier 2016, le Conseil, appliquant sa jurisprudence constante, a estimé que "la loi peut imposer le regroupement de collectivités territoriales dans un but d'intérêt général", cet intérêt général étant en l'espèce satisfait, selon le communiqué des juges du Palais-Royal.

Le Grand Paris regroupera 124 communes de "l'aire urbaine" de Paris, correspondant dans sa quasi-intégralité à celles de Paris et des trois départements dits de la "petite couronne" (Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis et Val-de-Marne).
http://paris-ile-de-france.france3.f...is-401407.html

The Grand Paris, it's 6,7 millions inhabitants, 762 km².

Historic moment for Paris: 1st official enlargement of the "city" since a long time ago. Before, we have only the metropolitan area (thing not official) to compare with others cities or Paris Intra Muros (official but not very comparable because very small), now we have something comparable and official !
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Old January 27th, 2014, 06:11 PM   #6146
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It is still small... the urban area (agglomération) is much larger, about 2700 km2. This "Grand Paris" is just a part of it. Well it is larger than tiny Paris city though. For instance the Greater London is 2.5 times as large as this Grand Paris. Population-wise the GL has 2 million people more too.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #6147
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Funny that in the first place you had to hastily and wrongly state that I didn't know Paris because you dislike my opinion, but you need to point out that you live there too. Unlike you, I have no power and control issue on who is allowed to express something in these pages. And I do not automatically consider that other people not sharing my opinion are less knowledgeable than me.

As I said, it is a personal aesthetic opinion. I am keen on Paris visual unity legacy. I fully agree that areas need improvement, but not only functional. Legacy should be more respected, and international crap avoided.

Now, if you are looking for an argument opponent to give a good fight, I have no time sorry
What I said remains perfectly valid, as living in a place doesn't automatically mean you also know it, less so understand it. Your comment about the Porte de la Chapelle area beautifully illustrates this.

I don't disagree with your principles as such, in fact I very much agree with them, it's just that your criticism of Paris based on those positions is very questionable as it is quite incongruous with reality.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #6148
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Does anyone know why there is german scripture on the map?
If you look at the license on it you'll see it's in German, which suggests it was made by the German guy mentioned in it. Which will be confirmed by running "entwurf und gestaltung" through google translate, as it means "conceived and designed".
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Old January 27th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #6149
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Some great photos of Arena 92 on Facebook, today:







Others: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1183647&type=1
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Old January 27th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #6150
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A residential building in the Ourcq street 19th district, Paris

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Old January 28th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #6151
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Bernard Arnault en rêvait, Frank Gehry l’a fait ! Pour rassembler toutes ses collections d’art contemporain, le musée verra le jour en septembre 2014. Visite de chantier, en avant-première.

« Dès mon arrivée dans le groupe, en 1991, Bernard Arnault me fit clairement part de sa volonté de lancer une fondation pour l’art et la culture qui marquerait Paris d’un geste architectural fort, en faveur du plus grand public, les jeunes en particulier », explique Jean-Paul Claverie, conseiller du président du groupe LVMH. Conscient de l’impact mondial de la culture française sur le succès de ses maisons, l’idée de bâtir un musée pour soutenir la création artistique et enrichir le patrimoine tricolore va ainsi mettre plus de vingt ans à se réaliser, allant de pair avec la mise en oeuvre par LVMH d’un mécénat ambitieux.

En outre, il y a longtemps que le patron du groupe de luxe témoigne de sa passion pour l’architecture partout sur la planète : à Tokyo, notamment, l’immeuble Dior a été dessiné par l’architecte japonaise Kazuyo Sejima ; à New York, le Français Christian de Portzamparc a conçu la LVMH Tower, siège du groupe en Amérique. Juste retour des choses, pour la Fondation Louis Vuitton, le nom de l’Américano- Canadien Frank Gehry s’est imposé. Pourquoi ? « En 2002, j’ai été bouleversé en découvrant le musée Guggenheim de Bilbao, la structure innovante du bâtiment, les assemblages singuliers de pierre et de verre », explique Bernard Arnault. Restait à trouver le lieu.

Quelques années plus tôt, malgré la contrainte sensible du site, une étude est entreprise à la demande de Jean-Paul Claverie concernant la faisabilité du musée au Jardin d’acclimatation, un parc historique dédié aux enfants, situé dans la partie nord du bois de Boulogne, dont la concession, octroyée par la Ville de Paris, est détenue par le groupe LVMH. Bilan ? Le PLU (plan local d’urbanisme) autorisait à détruire pour reconstruire au mètre carré près. Il s’agissait de surfaces laissées par des bâtiments disparates ou vétustes construits au fl des années depuis Napoléon III. Mais tous regroupés, ces espaces ne permettaient pas la réalisation d’un bâtiment audacieux et utile. En 2002, le Bowling de Paris, situé dans la partie sud du parc, est à vendre. La société américaine propriétaire souhaite s’en défaire. Le bâtiment présente pour le public des risques qui inquiètent la Ville de Paris : amiante, sécurité incendie défaillante, etc.

Le groupe le rachète, disposant ainsi de plus de 4 000 mètres carrés supplémentaires. Tout est alors allé très vite : Bernard Arnault invite Frank Gehry en France pour visiter le Jardin d’acclimatation. Francophile et cultivé, l’architecte, qui s’est formé à Paris pendant deux ans dans les années 1960, est bouleversé. Il cite Proust, à la grande surprise de ses interlocuteurs. Le soir même, dans l’avion qui le ramène à Los Angeles, il noircit un carnet entier de croquis où se profile, déjà, la silhouette singulière du bâtiment tel qu’il sera onze ans plus tard. Qui est Frank O. Gehry ? En 2005, « Vanity Fair » a demandé à 90 grands architectes internationaux, des enseignants et des critiques, de citer les cinq édifices récents les plus marquants au monde. Le musée Guggenheim de Bilbao est largement arrivé en tête.

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Old January 28th, 2014, 03:55 PM   #6152
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What I said remains perfectly valid, as living in a place doesn't automatically mean you also know it, less so understand it. Your comment about the Porte de la Chapelle area beautifully illustrates this.

I don't disagree with your principles as such, in fact I very much agree with them, it's just that your criticism of Paris based on those positions is very questionable as it is quite incongruous with reality.
You just did not really understand my comment about the project Porte de la Chapelle at all. Fyi, I did not need the google street view, and I even know what is a "Porte" in Paris, and I even know the Paris Nord Est project

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Old January 28th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #6153
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You just did not really understand my comment about the project Porte de la Chapelle at all. Fyi, I did not need the google street view, and I even know what is a "Porte" in Paris, and I even know the Paris Nord Est project
Weren't you insisting that you don't have time to debate?

Now you're doing yourself what you were accusing me of doing. I don't agree with you, so then it means I hadn't understood. You said: "ugly, modern architecture is de-structuring the town". That's very well expressed and straightforward to understand; not only that but you also came back several times to explain what you meant. So yeah I understood thank you very much, it's just that I strongly disagree.

Also, looking back I noticed something really strange, what the hell was all that about me having "power and control issue on who is allowed to express something in these pages"? Do you think I'm a moderator, or maybe that I have come to master the Force?
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Old January 28th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #6154
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Expected new subway, RER and tramway.

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Old January 29th, 2014, 01:58 AM   #6155
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All theses public transportations projects ... Very impressive ! The Grand Paris is on the way !
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Old January 29th, 2014, 09:11 AM   #6156
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The red line (M15) is 75 km long!
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Anddd The Charles de Gaulles express, back from hell, is missing on this map
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Old January 29th, 2014, 01:17 PM   #6158
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The red line (M15) is 75 km long!
3 times more than the M13, the current longer line...
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Weren't you insisting that you don't have time to debate?

Now you're doing yourself what you were accusing me of doing. I don't agree with you, so then it means I hadn't understood. You said: "ugly, modern architecture is de-structuring the town". That's very well expressed and straightforward to understand; not only that but you also came back several times to explain what you meant. So yeah I understood thank you very much, it's just that I strongly disagree.

Also, looking back I noticed something really strange, what the hell was all that about me having "power and control issue on who is allowed to express something in these pages"? Do you think I'm a moderator, or maybe that I have come to master the Force?
Again, you are out of the box. I am perfectly ok you disagree with me as I already said it from the beginning (just read). I'm not debating on our initial opinions but clearing the fact that I know Paris as well as you do (for what it means). As you had to affirm twice that I should be ignorant of my home town because of my opinion, I prefer to think you did not really understood it. It is a more gentle option for you (as subtle as the power and control issue, but I'm sure you'll get it at the end). And I leave the last word to you, I feel it is also important for you

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I've lost you completely really, I don't have a last word because at this point I confess I don't understand (indeed) anymore what are you trying to get at. Probably for the best of the thread, as we can stop it now.
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