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Old March 31st, 2006, 11:42 PM   #61
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Since when?
2005 GDP growth:
France : 1.2%
UK : 1.8%
C'est sur le long terme qu'il faut voir Manuel, les réserves de pétrole du Royaume-Uni apparemment arrivent à la fin, et comme on dit "on a pas de pétrole, mais on a des idées". Parcontre il est temps d'engrosser une femme pour faire augmenter la population française manuel, car dans le futur, cela remettra les pendules a l'heure (etant donné que la démographie française a jamais suivie celle d'europe) avec l'angleterre et l'allemagne Sur ceux, je te souhaite de continuer tes doux reves feminins et économico-organismiques
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Old April 1st, 2006, 01:13 AM   #62
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Who gives a shit who has the higher GDP etc- This is a thread about Paris skyscrapers not a 'my economy is bigger than your economy' bullshit.

Leave your bickering for elsewhere
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Old April 1st, 2006, 01:54 AM   #63
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I think the reason why all this started was that some users (Manuel and Sanchez essentially) said there was no reason to build all these skyscrapers in Paris because, supposedly, the Paris economy is so weak, whereas the London economy is far outperforming Paris. This has been proven to be wrong, now let's move back to the real topic of this thread, i.e. skyscraper projects in Greater Paris. Someone please move all the off-topic economic discussion to a proper thread. Thank you.
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Old April 1st, 2006, 04:32 PM   #64
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So, I was wondering, does anyone has informations about the new tower of 115 meters which should host the new Judicial Court (Palais de Justice) in the 13th arrondissement ?
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Old April 1st, 2006, 04:44 PM   #65
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Economy of France does actually better that the one of UK, so why not ? Also, french companies were never so high in the CAC40 and never had to much profits and funds, so they invest a little...
Actually the Uk's economy is far sturdier than that of France's (hence the UK's global rank). Nonetheless, France's economy isnt in such a mess, but its easy to overrate a country much loved by all.
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Old April 1st, 2006, 04:48 PM   #66
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boring...



it would be nice to see some renderings of all the new projects in paris. it has been very quiet on that front for years and now there is a knowledge deficit. I don't even know, how the two big towers under construction look like...
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Old April 1st, 2006, 04:51 PM   #67
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Take a peek at the french forum :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=322474
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=253385
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Old April 1st, 2006, 10:13 PM   #68
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Copy and paste the pictures here, rather than linking people to the French forum. There are unfortunately many people who do not read French. Otherwise, I was wondering if anyone knows when and by whom the 200 meters Jean Nouvel skyscraper in La Défense will be approved. I listed it as something proposed, but I have no information about when it's due to be examined and approved. It's not even within the offfical perimeter of La Défense, is it?
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Old April 1st, 2006, 10:42 PM   #69
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PARIS: Projects under construction

Both are in La Défense
Both are 180 meters


Here you have a picture of T1:



For the moment, it's like this



Here you have a picture of Tour Granite ("Société Générale" 3)



For the moment, it's like that


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Old April 1st, 2006, 10:56 PM   #70
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Some projects in La Defense:

PROJECT 1: AXA TOWER's Renovation

Now (159 meters):



Proposed projects






The chosen project (edit: 225,11 meters - confirmed):




You can see another render previously on this thread.
Thanks to bnmaddict and paris-skyscrapers for the pictures.

PROJECT 2: ... and the magical mystery project by Jean Nouvel (approx. 200 meters):

still in La Défense




first photo taken on Jean Nouvel's website + thanks to bnmaddict for the second photo. Actually Jean Nouvel also spoke about a 300 meters tower in La Défense, on the radio, but we don't know yet if it is related to this tower or another...

PROJECT in Levallois-Perret (165 meters):

This city is between La Défense and Paris, near the Seine.


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Old April 1st, 2006, 11:31 PM   #71
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Very cool projects...even though i am London biased i'm up for any skyscrapers in paris afterall in like 2 yrs its going to be 2hr30min from my doorstep. Realistically though what is the chance of these towers getting built (esp as many parisian firms like london seem to prefer their space closer to the ground)?
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Old April 1st, 2006, 11:37 PM   #72
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first photo taken on Jean Nouvel's website + thanks to bnmaddict for the second photo. This tower has been confirmed on radio some weeks ago by the architect himself. No more recent news for the moment.
uh..Are you sure this tower was confirmed??
what I know is that 2 weeks ago I heard Jean Nouvel on a radio, he told that a 320m will be built in la Défense, I really don't know what tower he was talking about, his project or someone else's?
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Old April 1st, 2006, 11:53 PM   #73
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New Paris City Court:


  • Architect: design unknown.
  • Height: 115m.
  • Status: Proposed.
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Old April 1st, 2006, 11:58 PM   #74
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Quote:
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uh..Are you sure this tower was confirmed??
what I know is that 2 weeks ago I heard Jean Nouvel on a radio, he told that a 320m will be built in la Défense, I really don't know what tower he was talking about, his project or someone else's?
You're right, my sentence is not very accurate!
J'ai pris mes désirs pour des réalités.

I'll correct that.
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 01:56 AM   #75
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The Jean Nouvel proyect looks good, too the Gan tower like me

Congrats! Paris
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 08:45 AM   #76
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Air Tower Project:


  • Status: proposed
  • Height: circa 35 floors / 140m / 46000 m²
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 12:22 PM   #77
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140m???? looks taller than that Cyril!
I quite like the cross bracing.
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 03:13 PM   #78
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Realistically though what is the chance of these towers getting built?
Did you read any of the above? T1 and Granite are both UNDER CONSTRUCTION, i.e. they are being built at the moment we speak. Construction on the New Axa Tower will start next year from what I understand. Construction on the twin towers in Levallois-Perret will also start next year I believe. As for the 400 meters, 300 meters, and three 200-250 meters skyscrapers in La Défense, the global project will be approved by the Minister of Transportation, Public Works, Tourism and the Sea next June at the latest. There's no chance the project will not be approved by the minister (Mr. Perben), because the whole project is supported by Nicolas Sarkozy, the leader of France's ruling party. Unlike in London or other cities, it's not private investors who build skyscrapers in La Défense, it's the La Défense Authority (a state entity) who build them (private building compannies selected by La Défense Authority do the actual building), and then the Authority rent the skyscrapers or sell them (correct me if I'm wrong). Also there's no requirement for pre-let.

So I can only think of 3 reasons why all the supertall announced wouldn't be built: a- the left win the 2007 presidential election and the new socialist president cancels the projects (not totally impossible, but not very likely... socialist Miterrand did not oppose skyscrapers in La Défense), b- the US economy collapses under trade imbalance and plunges the rest of the world into major recession (but then it's not just the skyscraper projects in Paris that would be cancelled), or c- major protests from Parisians opposed to skyscrapers (very unlikely... the mentality in Paris is something like "as long as they don't build them in the city, they can do whatever they want in the suburbs, suburbs really don't matter"... silly, but that's the mentality as I know it).
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 03:33 PM   #79
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Unlike in London or other cities, it's not private investors who build skyscrapers in La Défense, it's the La Défense Authority (a state entity) who build them (private building compannies selected by La Défense Authority do the actual building), and then the Authority rent the skyscrapers or sell them (correct me if I'm wrong). Also there's no requirement for pre-let.
No! Of course not!
Private investors build towers in La Défense:
- HINES/LUCIA for T1
- Bouygues Immobilier for Exaltis
- Tishman Speyer for CBX
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 04:03 PM   #80
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I agree with bnmaddict, of course it's private investors who build skyscrapers. The EPAD just sells the right to build in the area, which is totally different. It basically decides how big the buildings can be.

As for the pre-let requirements, I think it depends, wasn't EDF pre-let ? it's up to the investor i think.
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