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Old July 1st, 2015, 02:40 PM   #8021
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Depending on who you are. If you're a car, yes. However, in Paris, cars are greatly outnumbered by the total amount of non-cars (people such as pedestrians, people on bikes, on skates, motorcycles, kick scooters, and bizarre devices). For them, roundabouts are a drag.

Places you can't cross or explore. Wastelands. You can't get anywhere close to the Colonne de Juillet. At Place d'Italie you can, but there's only one access. You can't get to the Arch without using an uncomfortable subway.

If you're on a bike, you notice how such old-fashioned intersections come without markings (no lanes, no rules). If you're lucky you have a car cutting across non-existing lanes in front of you, otherwise you get hit.

République has 7 converging streets and still used to be quite hard to navigate. Today I simpy cross it in the blink of an eye.

Car congestion was hell before, and it is hell now, but that's a minority share of users. The vast majority of people using the space now have a safe place to do it.

Locations such as Concorde are called places. They're not, neither in the traditional meaning of the word (here a traditional example of a piazza) nor in a modern one.

Google Concorde and you'll only see pictures taken very low from ground. Because otherwise it looks like the bare crossroads it is :

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Old July 1st, 2015, 06:38 PM   #8022
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Although Concorde's little chaotic I really love it.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 09:33 PM   #8023
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Although Concorde's little chaotic I really love it.
And I feel uncomfortable on such a huge empty stone place(( Even if they'll somehow make it pedestrian
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Old July 1st, 2015, 11:23 PM   #8024
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Good informational video on Paris-Saclay area (english subs included)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TZ6rtOZDyw
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 01:47 AM   #8025
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Massy place du grand ouest

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 01:55 AM   #8026
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Les Docks de Saint-Ouen
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 02:00 AM   #8027
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New Gare de Montparnasse

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 02:33 AM   #8028
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Villages Nature @ Marne la vallée

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 01:11 PM   #8029
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Depending on who you are. If you're a car, yes. However, in Paris, cars are greatly outnumbered by the total amount of non-cars (people such as pedestrians, people on bikes, on skates, motorcycles, kick scooters, and bizarre devices). For them, roundabouts are a drag.

Places you can't cross or explore. Wastelands. You can't get anywhere close to the Colonne de Juillet. At Place d'Italie you can, but there's only one access. You can't get to the Arch without using an uncomfortable subway.

If you're on a bike, you notice how such old-fashioned intersections come without markings (no lanes, no rules). If you're lucky you have a car cutting across non-existing lanes in front of you, otherwise you get hit.

République has 7 converging streets and still used to be quite hard to navigate. Today I simpy cross it in the blink of an eye.

Car congestion was hell before, and it is hell now, but that's a minority share of users. The vast majority of people using the space now have a safe place to do it.

Locations such as Concorde are called places. They're not, neither in the traditional meaning of the word (here a traditional example of a piazza) nor in a modern one.

Google Concorde and you'll only see pictures taken very low from ground. Because otherwise it looks like the bare crossroads it is :

Well I'm in a car, so obviously I totally hate pedestrians et cyclists. As we say in France, everyone sees noon at his own door.
A minority of the 2 million inhabitants of the City of Paris use a car, but what about the 11 million inhabitants of the Paris urban area? Always the same problem here.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 01:19 PM   #8030
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Well, as density decreases and the American dream comes closer, having a car is much easier.

But I don't feel all central streets and squares should be car-friendly because of them, at the expenses of the majority of those who live central.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 01:47 PM   #8031
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Yes of course. It depends where. Hidalgo has a project to make arrondissements 1 to 4 car-free. Why not? But Place d'Italie is not very central and is a major crossroads.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 04:21 PM   #8032
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it's dangerous --> I don't want to die because of a prick with a car --> they'd better rightsize it --> they said they want to do it --> I'm happy

You notice the evolution? From dangerous to happy.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 06:54 PM   #8033
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Why are they building so many ugly buildings in Paris?
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 07:43 PM   #8034
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project for reinventer paris

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 07:45 PM   #8035
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This one's not bad at all.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 08:16 PM   #8036
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Really like the idea of the screen.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 09:29 PM   #8037
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Why are they building so many ugly buildings in Paris?
Can someone please ban this troll, He already commented a day ago and he's obviously a London troll as you can see where he posts.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 09:59 PM   #8038
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Can someone please ban this troll, He already commented a day ago and he's obviously a London troll as you can see where he posts.
I'm not from London/Britain and I agree with the "troll" (is he really?). What's currently build in Paris is very unappealing, even ugly.

Other cities are going the exact opposite way. This is for example what Berlin, Germany is building right now:










Maybe because Paris is already so beautiful, they think, they can build whatever ugly box they want...but if there's too much of it...it might turn ugly at one point.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 10:28 PM   #8039
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of course they do plenty of these in paris. look at waht they do in puteaux, antony, levallois...
and even in central paris;





















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Old July 2nd, 2015, 10:30 PM   #8040
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of course they do plenty of these in paris. look at waht they do in puteaux, antony, levallois...
Can you post some in here? Are they located within the Périphérique or outside?
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