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Old March 9th, 2007, 10:50 AM   #801
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Render from Generali Tower



Isn't it great ?


that building is so simple, anyone could have come up with that idea.
come to think of it, i acctually think i have before whilst messing around on paint.

looks good though
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Old March 9th, 2007, 01:41 PM   #802
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Old March 9th, 2007, 05:51 PM   #803
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that building is so simple, anyone could have come up with that idea.
come to think of it, i acctually think i have before whilst messing around on paint.

looks good though
I only partially agree with you. Though I agree that the general shape is very simple and is only a slightly stylized box, the building is a lot more deeply thought up when we look further.

Actually, the diamonds we can see on the cladding are helicoidal hanging gardens. As for the conic spire, it is actually made of successive horizontal wind turbines which have as purpose to fuel the tower in power. Finally, there should be restaurants and cafés open to everyone in the elevated corners of the building, offering magnificent views over the whole Paris region.

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Old March 9th, 2007, 10:28 PM   #804
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New picture of the inside of the 318m Generali Tower which hasn't been posted here yet I think. It comes from the French forum.

Thru the window towards the left you can see the Eiffel Tower.

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Old March 9th, 2007, 10:33 PM   #805
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lucky people who'll work in there, the view from the restaurants will be..... incredible!!!!!
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Old March 10th, 2007, 03:41 AM   #806
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Great news on the French forum. It is confirmed that the "tour Signal" is distinct from the "tour Phare". You may remember that in the beginning it was announced that a so-called "tour Signal" would be built to symbolize the regeneration of La Défense. Then last November it was Thom Mayne's 300m tower that was selected, and the project was renamed "tour Phare". Then two months ago, during his New Year's "good wishes" press conference, the director of La Défense Authority (EPAD) hinted that the "tour Signal" was a project still alive and distinct from the "tour Phare". I wrote about that in a message some weeks ago here, but some forumers doubted my information. Now it is confirmed by EPAD itself! One French forumer asked on the official La Défense forum whether the "tour Signal" was distinct from the "tour Phare", and the admin from EPAD said YES. You can see it here if you can read French: http://www.ladefense.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=792

The fact that EPAD answered is quite remarkable. Usually they are pretty secret about what's going on in La Défense, so I was very surprised to discover this on the French forum. Especially since we are in the middle of a bitter presidential election in France, it's surprising that they answered the French forumer. They must feel quite confident about the "tour Signal" project.

According to the admin, this "tour Signal" would house the Ministry of Public Works. It had long been rumored that the ministry was planning to leave the Grande Arche where its offices are currently located, and build its own tower. Now it's confirmed, and this new tower they'd build for their offices would be the "tour Signal". Also, initially it was rumored the ministry was planning to build 80,000 m² (860,000 sq. ft) of office space, but now it was reported in the French press that they're planning to build 100,000m² (1,075,000 sq. ft). So this born-again "tour Signal" would contain 100,000 m² of office space if the ministry is the only occupier. That means the "tour Signal" would be at least 200m (600 ft) high, perhaps more. For comparisons, the 310m (1,1018 ft) US Bank Tower in LA contains 120,000 m² (1.3 million sq. ft) of office space, so the ministry is not envisioning something small.

The admin said that an architect contest would be launched to select the design of the "tour Signal". It is quite probable that we will have no renderings until the winning project is selected, same as what happened with the "tour Phare". If you re-read what I wrote here a few weeks ago, I reported this rumor that Ferrier's 335m tower could be chosen as the design for the "tour Signal" because Ferrier was furious at the way Thom Mayne's project had been chosen for the "tour Phare" (Thom Mayne didn't respect the budget assigned to contestants). Now the EPAD admin said there would be an architect contest for the "tour Signal", so what of Ferrier's tower? Perhaps Ferrier will be allowed to take part in this new contest, with a more serious chance to win this time. I don't know. Personally, I would love if Ferrier's tower is built. It's by far the most beautiful tower that I've seen proposed in La Défense.

In any case, let's remember that this "tour Signal" for the Ministry of Public Works will be a State project (unlike Generali Tower or "tour Phare" which are private projects), so it is most sensitive to political changes. Should the Socialists win back power next May-June, there's a great likelihood it would be cancelled if their recent anti-La Défense stances are to be taken at face value.

Anyway, I can't resist putting again some pictures of Ferrier's 335m (1,100 ft) tower, for those who haven't seen it already.





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Old March 10th, 2007, 10:33 AM   #807
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I love this tower too, but let's not get our hopes up, at worst they resurrect the Tour Sans Fins .
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Old March 10th, 2007, 11:12 AM   #808
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It looks more then great its absolutely amazing. One of my favoruites already and ranked well up ther with Bishopgate and LBT.

However. Is that article wrong, Have they got thier numbers mixed up! 850,000sqm of office space. 100,000 sqm of residential is'nt big. Its a scheme the size of about 80 across the UK. Birmingham alone has about a dozen projects like this.

I hope it all works out though. Looks ******* awesome.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 12:03 PM   #809
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An architectural contest will be organized, so I think Ferrier will take part in. His concept of hyperphare had allured the jury for the Phare tower...

It would be really imposing to see this project succeeding !
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Old March 10th, 2007, 01:13 PM   #810
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They should just go with Ferriers tower. That way Paris will actually have a nice supertall, which Ferriers certainly is.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 04:20 PM   #811
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Rumours, gossips and whispers are getting stronger and stronger everyday about La Défense. Apparently, many projects should be revealed during next MIPIM congress which will be held in Cannes from the 13th to the 16th of March.

Here's a little summary of the rumours I've heard either in the news or coming from insiders :
  • No less than 15 skyscrapers are planned to be built during the first stage of the renewal of La Défense (from 2007 to 2013).
  • Two towers of 55,000 sqm and 75,000 sqm should replace respectively the Véritas building and the Aurore tower.
  • The new Ministry of Capitol Works should be located in a new building of 100,000 sqm which should be built on a brand new site. It is rumoured to be at the very least 200 meters, most likely more (perhaps a third supertall ?).
  • The Gan tower (180 m) should be either destroyed and rebuilt taller or should also be heightened in a similar way as the AXA tower. If the heightening option is chosen, it could reach 260 m of height.

As for now, it's worth being mentionned that the reconstruction of the AXA tower to reach 225 meters has now officially begun since March 1st, 2007 (source).

Here is the full list of projects which have been already unveiled specifically in La Défense.
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Building	Height	Office Space	Location/status
Tour Generali	318 m	 90,000 sqm	replacing Iris building
Tour Morphosis	300 m	130,000 sqm	new site
Renovated AXA	225 m	 86,700 sqm	under reconstruction
Tour T1		185 m 	 70,000 sqm	under construction
Tour Granite	183 m	 68,000 sqm	under construction
Tour Majunga	180 m	 65,000 sqm	new site

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Old March 10th, 2007, 05:19 PM   #812
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  • The Gan tower (180 m) should be either destroyed and rebuilt taller or should also be heightened in a similar way as the AXA tower. If the heightening option is chosen, it could reach 260 m of height.
That's the first time I hear about that! Any more details?

That's the tour Gan by the way. Currently the tallest skyscraper in La Défense! And now it could be destroyed to make way for a taller one? That sounds crazy to me...





Here the tour Gan is to the right of the picture:
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Old March 10th, 2007, 06:25 PM   #813
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Ok, after double-checking on the French forum, I see this information about the tour Gan comes from an insider who cannot be named. Apparently Gan's top management realized that their tower was going to be surrounded by new towers (new Axa Tower and Generali Tower), and that it would appear as rather obsolete, so they're thinking of moving Gan offices out of the tower, then renovating it, and then renting it out after renovation.

Taking advantage of the tax incentives offered to developpers, they're thinking of adding 40 to 50 meters of floors to the tower, then a 40 meters structure on top of it, probably some sort of spire. So in total the renovated tower would be 180 (current roof height) + 40/50 + 40 = 260 to 270 meters (853 to 886 ft) high.

Another solution that is rumored would be to completely destroy the tower and rebuild it, which would apparently cost less money than an 80/90 meters heightening of the current tower.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #814
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It looks more then great its absolutely amazing. One of my favoruites already and ranked well up ther with Bishopgate and LBT.

However. Is that article wrong, Have they got thier numbers mixed up! 850,000sqm of office space. 100,000 sqm of residential is'nt big. Its a scheme the size of about 80 across the UK. Birmingham alone has about a dozen projects like this.
It is big for only one or two kilometers square.
La Defense is a very small part of Greater Paris
In fact now Paris with its inner suburbs build more than 1,600,000 sqm of office space.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 08:15 PM   #815
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but I like GAN just like it is :'(
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Old March 10th, 2007, 11:00 PM   #816
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Demolishing Gan tower seems a crazy option.
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Old March 11th, 2007, 03:52 AM   #817
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Who changed the title of the thread? Without even stating the reason to do so or asking the contributors to the thread... Great example of democracy!
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Old March 11th, 2007, 01:45 PM   #818
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Oh no please, don't destroy the GAN tower!!!
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Old March 11th, 2007, 01:47 PM   #819
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Besides could you please write PARIS in capital letters at least? Thanks
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Old March 11th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #820
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Brisavoine , can you update the first post and improve it with pictures ?
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