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Old July 24th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #8221
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Well, in my opinion, calling for destruction is absolutely childish.

You don't seem to be able to tolerate prefab concrete buildings of the 60's and 70's eras, ok that's indeed an opinion. But you are very assertive about what should be granted life or death in terms of architecture whereas these buildings and their environment have shaped the city and are very interesting pieces of urban planning when one takes the time to consider it with an open and curious mindset.

What will be your "opinion" when curvy glass and steel buildings will be out of fashion? Because, you know, this is all just cycles and there's no doubt that, one day, someone, on this same forum, will complain about those ugly, tacky, glassy scrapers from the 2010's and will call for their erasure...

My point of view is that these ensembles are huge pieces of urban life and have been planned with a vision and a real care for details so, instead of neglecting them, we should make all our possible to maintain them in good state and shape and enable them to remain modern, vibrant and inspiring places to live in.

Architecture deserves respect.

About cycles, some stuff is just timeless. Like the Tour Eiffel. It's been more than 100 years and it still is an amazing piece of work.

Certain things aren't timeless. For example the Beaugrenelle which was liked at first, but now, I bert half of parisians hate it.

A lot of districts of Paris have been disfigured by 60s and 70s architecture. Destruction of historic buildings were done to build these "futuristic buildings" which now look like junk to me.

I don't agree with building towers in the middle of Paris because like you said, in 20 or 30 years, what will we think? That's what i've been seeing with London. Look at all those towers in the centre of London now.. They look great for now...

We'll see what will happen with this area. It could use a bit of a makeover along with some other districts. I want Paris to stay clean and beautiful.
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Old July 24th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #8222
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To bring down Tour Montparnasse and Olympiades... Do I have to read this kind of stuff even on SKYSCRAPERCITY??? For a moment I thought I was on Le Figaro.
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Old July 24th, 2015, 06:03 PM   #8223
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Old July 24th, 2015, 06:03 PM   #8224
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Old July 24th, 2015, 06:04 PM   #8225
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Old July 24th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #8226
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Old July 24th, 2015, 11:53 PM   #8229
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To bring down Tour Montparnasse and Olympiades... Do I have to read this kind of stuff even on SKYSCRAPERCITY??? For a moment I thought I was on Le Figaro.
I think the olympiades looks like a public housing unit and destroys the skyline of inner Paris from lets say 1930s-1960.
I'm just not a big fan of 70s architecture..
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Old July 24th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #8230
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To bring down Tour Montparnasse and Olympiades... Do I have to read this kind of stuff even on SKYSCRAPERCITY??? For a moment I thought I was on Le Figaro.
Well, let's just say that if in the not so long term the Tour Montparnasse were to be demolished... I'm for it.

I mean, La Défense is a perfect playground for skyscrapers.

Modern architecture within inner Paris should have more human proportions.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:06 AM   #8231
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Well, let's just say that if in the not so long term the Tour Montparnasse were to be demolished... I'm for it.

I mean, La Défense is a perfect playground for skyscrapers.

Modern architecture within inner Paris should have more human proportions.
Exactly, but do you really think this shouldn't be destroyed?

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Old July 25th, 2015, 04:14 AM   #8232
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Absolutely not. Hating an entire era of architecture is just stupid and shortsighted.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 04:33 AM   #8233
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Absolutely not. Hating an entire era of architecture is just stupid and shortsighted.
The reason I hate it is because it truly destroys the skyline of Paris and I think around half of Parisians could agree. These buildings don't fit in Paris.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 05:49 AM   #8234
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It's good to have variation from all styles and eras. Like it or not, those buildings are a valid part of the European and Parisian architectural legacy. They need to be restored, not demolished.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 09:30 AM   #8235
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It's good to have variation from all styles and eras. Like it or not, those buildings are a valid part of the European and Parisian architectural legacy. They need to be restored, not demolished.
What do you mean? These kind of buildings are already being destroyed as much as they can. I wish I could see the beauty in these buildings in the way you are but I just can't, especially with these towers sticking out of the parisian landscape. These towers really deteriorate the "class" Paris had back in the 1930s.. Even though there were slums and mass poverty, the Parisian landscape was considerably better looking, in my opinion. Although today, the addition of beautiful modern architecture and La Défense does create some pretty amazing views.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 10:55 AM   #8236
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Le Figaro is a bunch of socialist crap calling for more social housing in Paris and to destroy "rich ghettos".. I think the olympiades looks like a public housing unit and destroys the skyline of inner Paris from lets say 1930s-1960.
I'm just not a big fan of 70s architecture..
Who are you ? Don't you know that good trolling requires a bit of subtlety ?

And stop talking about Paris as one undividable whole. Do not forget that the most outer parts of the city Paris did not all "benefit" from Haussmann's works. The Italie 13 operation was made to fight insalubrity and replace building falling into ruins. It created a neighbourhood that was very different from the historic center, yes, but also not at all within the historic center, so what exactly are you whining about ?

I agree that many of these buildings need refurbishment, but I would not tear down a single one of those. The cohabitation of highrise towers and regular, traditionally organised streets (flanked with typical Parisian buildings) is unique and amazing.
I am thus very happy that the operation was terminated before completion by Giscard d'Estaing, allowing this very special blend of architecture.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 11:04 AM   #8237
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Who are you ? Don't you know that good trolling requires a bit of subtlety ?

And stop talking about Paris as one undividable whole. Do not forget that the most outer parts of the city Paris did not all "benefit" from Haussmann's works. The Italie 13 operation was made to fight insalubrity and replace building falling into ruins. It created a neighbourhood that was very different from the historic center, yes, but also not at all within the historic center, so what exactly are you whining about ?

I agree that many of these buildings need refurbishment, but I would not tear down a single one of those. The cohabitation of highrise towers and regular, traditionally organised streets (flanked with typical Parisian buildings) is unique and amazing.
I am thus very happy that the operation was terminated before completion by Giscard d'Estaing, allowing this very special blend of architecture.
Trolling? I'm not trolling lol. Sure, don't destroy them now, but these are getting outdated quickly... Also, I don't want everything to look like the historic Haussmann centre, but building to size is important. These towers just jutt out of the ground and stand alone. I like staying to the height limit of Paris..
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Old July 25th, 2015, 11:35 AM   #8238
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The reason I hate it is because it truly destroys the skyline of Paris and I think around half of Parisians could agree.
So far I have not found (in person) or seen in pictures an angle where that cluster interferes with the sighlines towards any of the iconic landmarks of the Parisian skyline, be it Tour Eiffel, Sacre Coeur, La Defense etc.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 11:38 AM   #8239
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So far I have not found (in person) or seen in pictures an angle where that cluster interferes with the sighlines towards any of the iconic landmarks of the Parisian skyline, be it Tour Eiffel, Sacre Coeur, La Defense etc.
Did I say it iterferes with any icon of the city? It interferes with the cityscape as a whole.

But yes, you could argue that Beaugrenelle interferes a bit.



I know for a fact, this is the worst sight for people of the 16th district of Paris. Walking on the Seine and seeing these buildings across horrifies people of the 16th.. It's a bad view.

Also I found the pole I was talking about. http://www.lefigaro.fr/scope/article...ulez-plus-.php
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Did I say it iterferes with any icon of the city? It interferes with the cityscape as a whole.
You said that it ruins the Paris skyline. It doesn't in any way. It is a sepparate bit of Parisian skyline in itself, detached from all the other skyline bits, and it just happens that you dislike its architectural style.

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But yes, you could argue that Beaugrenelle interferes a bit.
You could argue that, but it would be a weak argument. I know the view from most of the key vantage points in the city and there's very little harm the Beaugrenelle cluster does to the Tour Eiffel, the only skyline landmark close to it. It looks bad in the pic you posted but posting it is dishonest, you can't get that angle or anything like it from anywhere in the city.
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