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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:04 PM   #8241
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You said that it ruins the Paris skyline. It doesn't in any way. It is a sepparate bit of Parisian skyline in itself, detached from all the other skyline bits, and it just happens that you dislike its architectural style.



You could argue that, but it would be a weak argument. I know the view from most of the key vantage points in the city and there's very little harm the Beaugrenelle cluster does to the Tour Eiffel, the only skyline landmark close to it. It looks bad in the pic you posted but posting it is dishonest, you can't get that angle or anything like it from anywhere in the city.
I just don't know why some people like this architecutral style. 70s architecture is a curse to Paris and most Parisians in the surrounding districts of Beaugrenelle agree! It isn't modern, it's just stale.. It doesn't complement Paris because there is nothing special about Beaugrenelle. It looks like any towers from any other city in the world...


I just think it looks better without some of these 70s towers...

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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:10 PM   #8242
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Fro7en, saying that the Figaro, which often looks like a french equivalent of Fox News or worse, is socialist, that's called trolling.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:13 PM   #8243
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If you can't figure something out, then that's always the best indicator that you've still got something left to cover by dedicating it study time, reflection time, on-site experiences etc. Even if you don't necessarily end up liking that stuff you may end understanding it and appreciating what others like in it - that will also make your interaction with other people smoother. Implying that if smething goes beyond your understanding then it means it makes no sense and the others are stupid is not the way to go.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:15 PM   #8244
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Fro7en, saying that the Figaro, which often looks like a french equivalent of Fox News or worse, is socialist, that's called trolling.
I didn't mean to call it socialist. I meant to say that I saw some young politician who is of the socialist party on Le Figaro saying he wants to destroy "rich ghettos" and making social housing everywhere in Paris.. This is what the Olympiades towers are like to me.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #8245
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If you can't figure something out, then that's always the best indicator that you've still got something left to cover by dedicating it study time, reflection time, on-site experiences etc. Even if you don't necessarily end up liking that stuff you may end understanding it and appreciating what others like in it - that will also make your interaction with other people smoother. Implying that if smething goes beyond your understanding then it means it makes no sense and the others are stupid is not the way to go.
I have a great understanding of these buildings. Being born right across from them and seeing them all the time. It's quite pitiful to see this kind of stuff in Paris. Most of my neighbours if not all would agree as well. These buildings are "curses" to Paris' cityscape.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:38 PM   #8246
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I have a great understanding of these buildings.
You may be extremely *used to them*, but that doesn't necessarily imply anything more. All your posts here show only a complete rift in understanding between you and the post-war era international style - which would be ok if you didn't also show a complete lack of acceptance ad willingness to engage. It's the same attitude of those people in the interbellum, the mid 20th or the late 19th who completely disliked old historical styles as could be seen in decrepit city centres with their insalubrious buildings and thought that the only thing that should be done with those buildings is to demolish them and build something better, that they would like. Take a minute to think about that.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #8247
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You may be extremely *used to them*, but that doesn't necessarily imply anything more. All your posts here show only a complete rift in understanding between you and the post-war era international style - which would be ok if you didn't also show a complete lack of acceptance ad willingness to engage. It's the same attitude of those people in the interbellum, the mid 20th or the late 19th who completely disliked old historical styles as could be seen in decrepit city centres with their insalubrious buildings and thought that the only thing that should be done with those buildings is to demolish them and build something better, that they would like. Take a minute to think about that.
I just don't feel anything special with these towers. There is nothing that puts them apart and it doesn't look like the architects really wanted to make a spectacular piece here. There are some things that are timeless and others that aren't. In my opinion, skyscrapers of this type were pretty new during the 70s and these really don't seem timeless. I know destroying them isn't practical at all.

I've learned to like Montparnasse because it does offer THE BEST view of Paris. But I do hope they'll do something with the Montparnasse area. I've had good ideas that they could make this area a kind of "time square" or tech area. It would really bring a cool image to Paris with that. But I don't know how many people would like that Idea .. :P
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Old July 25th, 2015, 12:56 PM   #8248
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What do you mean? These kind of buildings are already being destroyed as much as they can. I wish I could see the beauty in these buildings in the way you are but I just can't, especially with these towers sticking out of the parisian landscape. These towers really deteriorate the "class" Paris had back in the 1930s.. Even though there were slums and mass poverty, the Parisian landscape was considerably better looking, in my opinion. Although today, the addition of beautiful modern architecture and La Défense does create some pretty amazing views.
Yeah and it's pretty much always a trauma for their inhabitants. Just like the unanimous destruction of "invalid" and "insalubrious" housing in the 50's-70's to please the bourgeois eye were traumatizing for their dwellers back then.

Who are you to decide that people's homes should be destroyed?
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I think the best solution for the Olympiades would be heavy renovations:

- adding a few floors to some towers (perhaps in a stepped back fashion), and shortening other towers
---- in order to create a skyline and get rid of the 'wall' effect

- recladding some towers and cleaning others
---- in order to create some sense of diversity from ground level

- adding crowns to some of the buildings so as to not have too many boxes
---- again to get more diversity and create a more interesting skyline

- adding short buildings at the foot of the towers
---- in order to obtain more continuous flowing streets and alleviate some of the perceived 'coldness' of the area

- maybe rethinking/ renovating/ flattening the slab?
---- the place has great potential but it is just too disconnected
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Old July 25th, 2015, 01:06 PM   #8250
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Yeah and it's pretty much always a trauma for their inhabitants. Just like the unanimous destruction of "invalid" and "insalubrious" housing in the 50's-70's to please the bourgeois eye were traumatizing for their dwellers back then.

Who are you to decide that people's homes should be destroyed?
The old Corbusier social housing is being destroyed and being rebuilt with non highrise buildings that are much more nice and clean, still social housing. The people have to agree on it and if they do that's what happens.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 01:07 PM   #8251
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I think the best solution for the Olympiades would be heavy renovations:

- adding a few floors to some towers (perhaps in a stepped back fashion), and shortening other towers
---- in order to create a skyline and get rid of the 'wall' effect

- recladding some towers and cleaning others
---- in order to create some sense of diversity from ground level

- adding crowns to some of the buildings so as to not have too many boxes
---- again to get more diversity and create a more interesting skyline

- adding short buildings at the foot of the towers
---- in order to obtain more continuous flowing streets and alleviate some of the perceived 'coldness' of the area

- maybe rethinking/ renovating/ flattening the slab?
---- the place has great potential but it is just too disconnected
Finally someone on this forum who understands how I think. It is VERY disconnected and just looks so out of place. The road that the Olympiades are on is already a very nice looking road lined with trees and some Haussmann type buildings.

Honestly these areas need to be a bit more commercialised too for tourists to see. This place is incredibly diverse with Chinese/Vietnamese culture and other asian culture and coul very well use an official china town gate. This is something that makes Paris, the diversity, but not many tourists care or even know about this.

The Chinatown(s) of Paris are very very Chinese, even more so than the world famous NYC china town or London's small china town.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 01:49 PM   #8252
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^no, that is not how you think. Had you posted reasonable solutions to improve the area and enhance its already existing qualities, now indeed less visible because of dating and decay, we wouldn't have replied - I think we can all agree the area needs an overhaul. But you've just advocated destroying it and building anew.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 02:27 PM   #8253
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Since the cultural venues in outer Paris boroughs I posted last time were well received, here's another nice one I found (Centre culturel Paul Bailliart in Massy):













http://dda-architectes.com/centre-culturel-paul-b-2/

It was done in the late noughties and was a full redevelopment of an 1966 "Pailleron" type building. The peculiar exteriour shell is therefore an example of "form follows function", as it is a sound insulation method wrapped around the structure.
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Same architects, a new building in inner Paris (Crèche Guignier):









http://dda-architectes.com/creche-collective/
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Them again, a médiathèque & art school in Saint-Denis, on the Saint-Denis island on the Seine:











http://dda-architectes.com/conservatoire-de-versailles/ (wrong description in the URL)
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More suburban projects please ! so interseting !
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Old July 25th, 2015, 08:08 PM   #8257
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Arena 92, 2016, 30 600 seats, Paris La Défense

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The new TGI (Tribunal de Grande Instance), 160m, TO in 2016, higher skyscraper in Paris Intra-Muros (Central Paris) since the Tour Montparnasse, in 1973 !

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I just don't know why some people like this architecutral style. 70s architecture is a curse to Paris and most Parisians in the surrounding districts of Beaugrenelle agree! It isn't modern, it's just stale.. It doesn't complement Paris because there is nothing special about Beaugrenelle. It looks like any towers from any other city in the world...


I just think it looks better without some of these 70s towers...

Couldn't agree more. Some areas of Paris (and many other world cities for that matter) have been destroyed by modernist architecture and the inconsiderate-placing of some skyscrapers.
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