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Old August 1st, 2015, 02:14 PM   #8301
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Actually I have a decent grasp of Colombes, as I currently live nearby and I visit regularly. I like Colombes, it has a nice urban fabric - very organic, very human. The arhitectural diversity is excellent. Sure, it's the poorest municipality around and there's still loads of decay; what it has to do is to keep improving (renovations, public real works) but remaining on the cheap side so that it doesn't gentrify and keeps its soul.
I don't know what you mean about Colombes' street structure, which is perfectly normal, but if you think we can go back to the times of Napoleon III or Ceauşescu and erase neighbourhoods so that you can have a new street grid and new urban fabric with new buildings, then you need to stop daydreaming and come back to reality.

Napoléon III was a visionary. He was the one who brought Paris up and made it the best city in the world. Caecescu was an inhumane dictator. But of course, with time, maybe we think a bit better of Napoléon III.

Comparing Caecescu and Napoléon III is idiotic. Napoléon IIIs commission of Haussmann is what makes Paris what it is today!
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Old August 1st, 2015, 03:19 PM   #8302
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Please don't resort to name calling.

The only main difference between Ceauşescu and Napoleon III is that what Ceauşescu built to replace the erased neighbourhoods was mainly ugly while what Napoleon III built was beautiful. But that can be acknowwledged while still also acknowledging that what he did to old Paris was architectural genocide. The line between a urban reformation and urban genocide is very thin. BTW for your information Paris was a great city already, way before Napoleon III. Pick up stuff to read on medieval Paris or Paris of the Enlightenment.

Edit: regardless of this all, the point still stands that what either of them did can't (thankfully!) be done today. You don't just "re-do" cities.
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Old August 1st, 2015, 09:51 PM   #8303
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Please don't resort to name calling.

The only main difference between Ceauşescu and Napoleon III is that what Ceauşescu built to replace the erased neighbourhoods was mainly ugly while what Napoleon III built was beautiful. But that can be acknowwledged while still also acknowledging that what he did to old Paris was architectural genocide. The line between a urban reformation and urban genocide is very thin. BTW for your information Paris was a great city already, way before Napoleon III. Pick up stuff to read on medieval Paris or Paris of the Enlightenment.

Edit: regardless of this all, the point still stands that what either of them did can't (thankfully!) be done today. You don't just "re-do" cities.
You don't just redo do them, sure. But you plan projects and build them up. You clean the streets, by up property and build up. This is actually happening in Colombes if you go on their site and see the projects.

There are new housing projects plannes (by destroying old houses).

I like old houses, but the ones in Colombes are very ugly in my opinion.
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Old August 1st, 2015, 11:00 PM   #8304
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There are loads of beautiful houses in Colombes, even if some of them are admittedly harder to perceive as such due to decay. They even have guided tours for the "quartiers pavillonaires" (the villa neighbourhoods). There are all sorts of other interesting buildings, from art-deco originals to rural old-town vernacular. Even the individual value of the buildings isn't high per se, the diversity and the juxtapositions it offers is very rewarding for an architectural voyeur with an with no prejudices.
I find it interesting how despite your hate of modernism and the international style, you'd also erase vast uran areas with old buildings to replace them with new stuff that you like more, like Le Corbusier and his ilk wanted too.
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There are loads of beautiful houses in Colombes, even if some of them are admittedly harder to perceive as such due to decay. They even have guided tours for the "quartiers pavillonaires" (the villa neighbourhoods). There are all sorts of other interesting buildings, from art-deco originals to rural old-town vernacular. Even the individual value of the buildings isn't high per se, the diversity and the juxtapositions it offers is very rewarding for an architectural voyeur with an with no prejudices.
I find it interesting how despite your hate of modernism and the international style, you'd also erase vast uran areas with old buildings to replace them with new stuff that you like more, like Le Corbusier and his ilk wanted too.
Le Corbusier built ugly and cheaply. I think you need to reconstruct old buildings. I'm from the 16th arrondissement in Paris. This is probably one of the most Haussmann areas along with the 8th but if you ever walk in the 16th, you'll notice some ugly "modernist" stuff too.. I think it's just horrible....
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For example, I like what they're doing in La Garenne right next to Colombes. They have rebuilt an nice art deco style theatre.

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Old August 3rd, 2015, 05:27 AM   #8307
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Anyone have renders other than this for the Tour Fiducial?

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Old August 3rd, 2015, 10:42 AM   #8308
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Not sure this project is still in the pipeline..
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 12:02 PM   #8310
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For example, I like what they're doing in La Garenne right next to Colombes. They have rebuilt an nice art deco style theatre.

Yeah, well La Garenne-Colombes is not really relevant as it is a much beter-off municipality. I see it as a growing extension of La Défense in a middle class / upper middle class residential area. Colombes on the other hand is an immigration hotspot where lower middle class meets working class.

Also, I concur on that if you want to hang around you need to stop turning everything into city vs city, it's the biggest sin around here. Check out the forum guidelines...
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 12:56 PM   #8311
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And I think that the 16th arroundissement should double it's social housing capacities and become "workingclassified"
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 01:27 PM   #8312
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And I think that the 16th arroundissement should double it's social housing capacities and become "workingclassified"
lol that's a very socialistic thing to say . I think there needs to be division between rich and poor, but poor people should be able to have the ability to become rich and rich people can become poor .
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 05:12 PM   #8313
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 05:14 PM   #8314
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Old August 3rd, 2015, 08:04 PM   #8317
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lol that's a very socialistic thing to say . I think there needs to be division between rich and poor, but poor people should be able to have the ability to become rich and rich people can become poor .
And that is a terrible thing to say. You made me choke laughing.

For those who don't know the French judicial system, the "TGI", of which we see so many picture lately, is the new superior courthouse.

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Old August 3rd, 2015, 10:45 PM   #8318
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And that is a terrible thing to say. You made me choke laughing.

For those who don't know the French judicial system, the "TGI", of which we see so many picture lately, is the new superior courthouse.
Uhm, it's only logical.. I don't want social housing in the 16th. The people in the 16th bought their apartmemts for most likely an expensive price, or made their way up.

Putting social housing in the middle of a rich neighbourhood would just ruin the point.

Again. poor people shouldn't be kept poor. Education should be good for them, they should have the same opportunity as the upper class, and they should have the opportunities to become a resident of the 16th if they are truly smart and hard working.

Why would you want to put social housing in a rich area? No incentive to work up to LIVE in the rich area. They can just reside there even if they are poor.
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Old August 4th, 2015, 01:03 AM   #8319
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Anyone have renders other than this for the Tour Fiducial?

Ouch, this project is so old...We don't even know if AVA will be built one day. I remember this render, but it seems that the clad has changed.

The render I remember is this one:





But I prefer yours.
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I don't know of any way you can defend this point of view. If you just give opportunities to poor people to become rich instead of increasing everybody's quality of life, at the end of the day, there is always poor people, whether they born from the upper or lower classes does not matter, why would they deserve to stay/become poor ? That is definitely not what capitalism should be about : the riches are supposed invest and expend their interests, and thus fuel the economy, allowing to increase the quality of everybody's life.

Well, I am now far out of the original point about the 16th arrondissement ...
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