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Old October 7th, 2015, 12:03 PM   #8581
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paris urban area is larger than london. not all london is urban, dont lie!

according to wikipedia:



What would be the Parisian equivalent to this map?
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Old October 7th, 2015, 12:44 PM   #8582
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Kissme, did you know were the Clichy project is exactly located ? Have you a link on it ? Thanks.

I believe it's here :
https://goo.gl/maps/FJfWFnmy7xx

Right now it's a remote and slightly grim area but with great potential (located just between posh Levallois and working class Clichy).

And the modern public garden just across the street is really nice.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 02:15 PM   #8583
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Skylight - (76 meter high residential building in La Défense)



(You can also see the progress on the recladding of the Grande Arch)

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Old October 7th, 2015, 02:59 PM   #8584
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I believe it's here :
https://goo.gl/maps/FJfWFnmy7xx

Right now it's a remote and slightly grim area but with great potential (located just between posh Levallois and working class Clichy).

And the modern public garden just across the street is really nice.
it's not remote.. it's less than 10min walk from a metro station
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Old October 7th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #8585
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it's not remote.. it's less than 10min walk from a metro station
Indeed you're right. I should have said "remote for parisian standards" !

It's just that it's not particularly a residential area today, still a lot of warehouses and former industrial buildings around.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #8586
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is there a height limit in La Defense?
Yes, of course and the limit depends on the area you want to build. In France each city should have a PLU (urbanism local town planning) where all areas are divided in "zones".
For example in Courbevoie (one of the cities included in La Defense), there are three zones for La Defense: UDa, UDb and UDc:
http://www.ville-courbevoie.fr/filea..._de_Zonage.pdf

And for these three zones, the height limit (the reference is the NGF) are:
UDa: 345m NGF
UDb: 215m NGF
UDc: 100m NGF

In Courbevoie, the altitude is included between 25m NGF and 56m NGF.

http://www.ville-courbevoie.fr/filea...nt_zone_UD.pdf

For Puteaux and Nanterre, you may have others zones (and limits ?).
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Old October 7th, 2015, 05:06 PM   #8587
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I could disagree. It really depends on which direction you're coming from. If you drive north or south, it will take a long time but east or west is fairly quick.

Same goes for London but inversed. You can leave the city going north pretty quickly as where east or west, not really.

For me, whenever I enter paris in any direction, it takes 1h30 with traffic.

If you take a look on a map too, you'll see that Paris's Urban sprawl extends more towards the north and south as where london is more east to west.
Yes + Paris is far denser
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Old October 8th, 2015, 12:12 AM   #8588
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Yes + Paris is far denser
Denser? Not really. I think the CITY OF PARIS is a lot bigger than central London, but they could be the same density except that buildings in Paris are a bit higher. The centre area of London (including the city) is small compared to Paris.

http://mapfrappe.com/?show=34230
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Old October 8th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #8589
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paris urban area is larger than london. not all london is urban, dont lie!

according to wikipedia:


No that isn't urban area. Paris includes towns outside the continuous urban sprawl in it's population, London doesn't. Londons continuous urban sprawl is significantly bigger that that of paris. If London were to consider it's satellite towns are part of the city it's population would be around 12 million.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:07 AM   #8590
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No that isn't urban area. Paris includes towns outside the continuous urban sprawl in it's population, London doesn't. Londons continuous urban sprawl is significantly bigger that that of paris. If London were to consider it's satellite towns are part of the city it's population would be around 12 million.
Uhm, not really. Paris as a city is only PARIS. It's 105 km2. The Urban area of Paris is around the same as Londons'. London's ring road also extends way past the urban areas, into the countryside pretty much.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:27 AM   #8591
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You've also chosen a picture which clearly shows London's urban area as being bigger. Paris includes all the towns in the il de france in it's population size. London doesn't cheat like this.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:29 AM   #8592
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You've also chosen a picture which clearly shows London's urban area as being bigger. Paris includes all the towns in the il de france in it's population size. London doesn't cheat like this.
Huh? What are you talking about? First of all, if you look at a MAP and compare Paris and London, you will see that they are roughly the same size. No one is "cheating"here. It's basic geography.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:34 AM   #8593
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I've said all I've got to say on the matter. Now let that be the end of it.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #8594
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paris urban area is much bigger than london. i beleive wikipedia
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Old October 8th, 2015, 02:24 AM   #8595
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No, it isn't. Paris metropolitan area is, but that is not a trust reflection of a cities urban sprawl. It is just an arbitrary boundary that you can just make up. If London were to encapsulate an area the size of the il de france it's population would be around the 15 million mark. New York has the same sort of misleading measurement as it takes in to acount towns well outside of the urban sprawl in the tri star region. London's only counts whats inside its main urban sprawl, when there are many quite big satellite towns they could take in to consideration. Look Paris is a great city, I am not disputing that, but London is the true giant of Europe.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 02:24 AM   #8596
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Oh gosh, you're still on such "d*ck measuring" stuff in this thread, dears?




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Old October 8th, 2015, 02:27 AM   #8597
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No, it isn't. Paris metropolitan area is, but that is not a trust reflection of a cities urban sprawl. It is just an arbitrary boundary that you can just make up. If London were to encapsulate an area the size of the il de france it's population would be around the 15 million mark. New York has the same sort of misleading measurement as it takes in to acount towns well outside of the urban sprawl in the tri star region. London's only counts whats inside its main urban sprawl, when there are many quite big satellite towns they could take in to consideration. Look Paris is a great city, I am not disputing that, but London is the true giant of Europe.
i prefer to belive wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...European_Union

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Old October 8th, 2015, 02:53 AM   #8598
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Old October 8th, 2015, 03:27 AM   #8599
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Definitions :
Urban area : Define what is the continuous urban environment, meaning urban footprint or houses, factories, infrastructures enough close to each other to be counted as the same urban area. Parks, rivers and sometimes narrow sea pass doesn't count (as in the case of Istanbul, built on the two side of the Bosphorus detroit). This plain geography

And in that precise regards, Paris is more populated, while being a slightly smaller in term of area.

Metropolitan area : a definition that is more economic oriented, and count the number of commuter going to work in the core city. It can include satellites towns separated from the main core by rural or forest areas, but also rural population itself that is going to work in the biggest city around. The definition varies among countries. For instance the French INSEE consider that 40% of commuter is the minimum ratio for a place to be considered as included in a metropolitan area (aires urbaines in French). Some country use larger definition with 15 or 25% being enough to be part of the area.

Depending on the definitions, one time Paris is bigger, another London is. This is quite difficult to determine as London lie in a denser region of a dense country. But that doesn't mean that the quite close -but separate- satellites town are part of the metropolitan area.

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To finish, an area that is separated geographically from another city, and that doesn't send a significant part of its worker in that city can't be counted in any way as being part of a city. Even if it lie in a very dense area such the one you'll find England, the Netherlands or in Belgium, with borders between cities being sometimes difficult to determine otherwise, Lille would be around 3Mh inhabitants, which it is not. Urban footprint usually tend to create several conurbations in those kind of countries. And seeing England urban footprint, it appears that in the very long run, Liverpool, Manchester, and one day maybe Birmingham could be part of a same conurbation ! That would be the second giant conurbation of Europe after the Rhine Rhur . (Other exists such as the Randstadt Holland)
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Old October 8th, 2015, 02:16 PM   #8600
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Denser? Not really. I think the CITY OF PARIS is a lot bigger than central London, but they could be the same density except that buildings in Paris are a bit higher. The centre area of London (including the city) is small compared to Paris.

http://mapfrappe.com/?show=34230
Yes Paris is far denser. An apreciable amount of data was published on that matter by Sir Brisavoine in his time here. Paris is the densest city in Europe at least in the center part. As Paris is denser and at least as big as London it is also more populated.
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