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Old March 27th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #881
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This is getting ridiculous!
It looks like a strange mix of the SwissRe and the Ferrier Evergreen base, and to be honest, I think it's the best tower ever for LD!


And the area around Gan will become amazing with all these new skyscrapers
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Old March 27th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #882
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Yet ! again a new skyscraper! It doesn't stop !
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Old March 27th, 2007, 08:41 PM   #883
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Yet ! again a new skyscraper! It doesn't stop !
This is getting ridiculous!
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Old March 29th, 2007, 02:09 PM   #884
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Some background information.
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Greater Paris is hiring in 2007

Published: March 26, 2007
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Greater Paris needs labor. According to a study released yesterday by the CREDOC (Research Centre for the Study and Monitoring of Living Standards), employers plan to hire 275,800 people in the metropolitan area this year, essentially in the service industry sector (190,900 people to be hired), then also in wholesale and retail trade (38,300), and construction (28,800). The City of Paris proper is the place where employers plan to hire the most, but the Hauts-de-Seine département [where La Défense is located] will be first for construction jobs. The most sought-after profiles are engineers and IT specialists.
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I've just updated the map about La Défense projects. There is the new version:

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Old March 30th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #886
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Thank you for this helpful update!

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Old April 7th, 2007, 05:04 PM   #887
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There were heated discussions in various threads of the forum recently about Paris being supposedly a sleepy city where not much happens in terms of building development. A museum of some sort, if the Paris bashers are to be believed. For any person who has lived for some years in Paris, these oft repeated clichés are quite tiresome, and movies such as Amélie do not help dispel the clichés unfortunately.

The focus of Skyscrapercity is skyscrapers, obviously, so I think it is important to understand that the Paris projects covered here are just the tip of the iceberg really. Paris, being the large megacity that it is, has scores of building developments going on at any given time in the year. Only the most prominent or remarkable ones are listed on this forum, because Parisian forumers don't have time or interest in listing each and every single project.

For those wishing to know Paris projects a bit more in depth, there's a review published twice a year which is called Paris Crane Survey and which lists all the large office development projects going on in Central Paris and the inner suburbs.

Here is the link to the latest Paris Crane Survey (November 2006):
http://www.businessimmo.info/_docume...ranesurvey.pdf

Greater Paris is having the largest number of sq. meters of office space under construction in Europe at the moment. According to the Paris Crane Survey, there were 1,484,162 m² (15.9 million sq. ft) of office space under construction as of October 2006 in Central Paris and the inner suburbs (excluding the outer suburbs). For comparison, according to the London Crane Survey published by the same property consultancy, there were only 898,187 m² (9.7 million sq. ft) of office space under construction in Central London, Southwark, and the Docklands as of October 2006. Yet, the myth of a sleepy museum-like Paris persists.

Here I took the time to copy all the office developments under construction in Central Paris and the inner suburbs as of October 2006, so people can have a better idea of the real size of office construction in Paris. The Paris Crane Survey lists all office projects u/c in Central Paris and inner suburbs larger than 1,000 m² (projects smaller than 1,000 m² as well as residential or industrial projects are not listed). These lists have never been shown on Skyscrapercity before I think.

Central Paris:
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#       Address                    Floor surface           To be completed by
1- 19/25, PLACE VENDÔME              35,200 m²                  July 2008
2- 2 PLACE SKANDERBERG               26,833 m²                  June 2007
3- 27/29, RUE DE LA CONVENTION       21,135 m²                  Jan. 2008 
4- 44/48, RUE DE CHÂTEAUDUN          18,032 m²                  June 2007 
5- 11/23, RUE D'ALSACE               15,500 m²                  June 2008 
6- 99/103BIS, RUE DE GRENELLE        14,500 m²                  July 2008 
7- 15/19, RUE TRAVERSIÈRE            14,000 m²                  Dec. 2006
8- 82/90, AVENUE DE FRANCE           12,900 m²                 March 2007 
9- 104/110, BD HAUSSMANN             12,200 m²                  July 2007 
10- AV DE LA PORTE DES LILAS         12,000 m²                  June 2008
11- 23/25, RUE DE PROVENCE           11,081 m²                  Feb. 2007
12- 37, RUE DU LOUVRE                10,000 m²                  July 2007
13- 100/104, AVENUE DE FRANCE         9,312 m²                  Dec. 2006
14- 9, RUE DE LA CHAUS. D'ANTIN       6,500 m²                  Dec. 2007
15- 7/7BIS, RUE DE TÉHÉRAN            6,500 m²                  Dec. 2007
16- 39BIS/41, RUE DE CHÂTEAUDUN       6,029 m²                  June 2008
17- 31, AV PIERRE 1ER DE SERBIE       6,025 m²                  Dec. 2006
18- 13/15, RUE DE LA VILLE L'EVÊQUE   6,000 m²                  Feb. 2007
19- 18, RUE VIVIENNE                  4,527 m²                  Dec. 2006
20- 4 PLACE DE L'OPÉRA                4,500 m²                 March 2007
21- 37/41, RUE DE LA VICTOIRE         3,915 m²                  Dec. 2006
22- 4, RUE DU GÉNÉRAL FOY             3,277 m²                  June 2007
23- 148, BD HAUSSMANN                 3,150 m²                  Dec. 2006
24- 18BIS/20, AVENUE HOCHE            3,130 m²                   May 2007
25- 37, AVENUE GEORGE V               3,000 m²                  June 2007
26- 3BIS/5, RUE DE LA BAUME           2,798 m²                  Dec. 2007
Western business district (incl. La Défense):
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#       Project name               Floor surface           To be completed by
1- TOUR GRANITE                      68,000 m²                 March 2008 
2- TOUR T1                           65,651 m²                  Feb. 2008 
3- AVENUE DE L'EUROPE                63,000 m²                  July 2008
4- 2/8, AVENUE NEWTON                58,000 m²                  Dec. 2006
5- DÉFENSE OUEST                     58,000 m²                  Apr. 2007
6- EOS GENERALI                      44,000 m²                  July 2008
7- LE DELAGE (COEUR DE SEINE)        43,893 m²                  Apr. 2008
8- LE SPAZIO                         36,000 m²                  Dec. 2008
9- LE TRIANUM                        33,000 m²                 Sept. 2008
10- EURÊKA                           32,000 m²                  June 2008 
11- MEUDON CAMPUS                    23,114 m²                  Jan. 2007 
12- CNIT 2                           22,877 m²                  Jan. 2008
13- LE TRAPÈZE D2                    21,000 m²                  June 2008 
14- IMMEUBLE B AV DE L'ARCHE         20,464 m²                  Aug. 2007 
15- 24/32, BOULEVARD GALLIÉNI        19,030 m²                  Aug. 2007
16- TOUR ARIANE 5                    16,410 m²                  Dec. 2006
17- 55, BD DE LA MIS. MARCHAND       16,400 m²                  Dec. 2006
18- PANORAMA SEINE                   15,000 m²                  Feb. 2008 
19- LE PRISME                        14,700 m²                  Jan. 2007
20- VISTA 52                         14,438 m²                  Dec. 2006
21- LE CARAT                         14,000 m²                 Sept. 2007
22- 24, RUE VILLENEUVE               13,539 m²                  Dec. 2007
23- LE TRAPÈZE A2                    13,500 m²                  July 2008 
24- NEUILLY VICTOR HUGO              12,853 m²                  Apr. 2007 
25- VECTORIAL IV                     12,025 m²                  July 2007
26- LES ARCAS                        11,968 m²                  Nov. 2006
27- 47/59, RUE CARNOT                10,500 m²                  June 2008 
28- CARIE                             9,300 m²                 March 2007
29- OPTIMUM                           9,231 m²                  Dec. 2006 
30- CARRÉ SUD                         6,942 m²                  June 2008
31- 157, AV PIERRE BROSSOLETTE        6,625 m²                  Dec. 2006
32- 6, RUE DE BIÈVRE                  5,270 m²                 Sept. 2007
33- 66, AV CHARLES DE GAULLE          5,000 m²                  Oct. 2007
34- BORDS DE SEINE                    4,150 m²                  Jan. 2007
35- TRIÈDRE                           3,748 m²                  June 2007
36- ILOT E.E                          2,884 m²                  Oct. 2006
Inner suburbs (incl. St Denis):
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#       Project name               Floor surface           To be completed by
1- BERCY NOISY                       33,362 m²                  June 2007
2- L'ARBORIAL                        28 744 m²                   May 2007
3- FONTENAY-CARNOT                   26,492 m²                  Aug. 2008
4- 7ÈME AVENUE                       22,500 m²                  Apr. 2008 
5- PORTES DE FRANCE                  18,580 m²                 Sept. 2008
6- L'EUROPÉEN II                     17,125 m²                  Feb. 2008
7- RUE DE VALMY                      17,000 m²                  June 2007 
8- PERSPECTIVES SUD                  16,480 m²                  Jan. 2007 
9- LE FLAVIA                         16,060 m²                  Oct. 2007 
10- PERSPECTIVES SUD                 16,008 m²                  Jan. 2007
11- LES ALLÉES                       15,500 m²                  Dec. 2007
12- LE BALTHAZAR                     15,122 m²                  June 2007
13- ARC & CIEL                       15,000 m²                  July 2007
14- PROXIMA MONTREUIL                13,376 m²                  Dec. 2007
15- RUE JEAN JAURÈS                  11,500 m²                  Dec. 2007
16- VISIUM                           11,310 m²                  July 2007 
17- L'YVOIRE                         11,228 m²                  June 2007
18- PARC D'AFFAIRES LOCATIF SILIC    10,800 m²                  Dec. 2007
19- LES RIVES DE SEINE               10,800 m²                 March 2007
20- LE CONFLUENT                      8,500 m²                  June 2008
21- 122/126, BD VICTOR HUGO           6,745 m²                  Dec. 2007
22- LE COPERNIC                       6,655 m²                  Dec. 2006
23- LE RICHEMONT                      6,000 m²                  Feb. 2008 
24- 20, RUE DE PARIS                  6,000 m²                  Dec. 2007
25- AV DE LA VICTOIRE                 5,000 m²                  Apr. 2007
26- BUSINESS PLACE                    4,650 m²                  Jan. 2007
27- LE PODIUM                         4,400 m²                  June 2007
28- LE CESARE                         3,500 m²                  Dec. 2007
29- SOGARIS RUNGIS                    2,569 m²                  Dec. 2006
30- CENTRE LOGISTIQUE FRET AÉRIEN     2,500 m²                  Jan. 2007
31- AVENUE FOCH ST MAUR               2,100 m²                  Oct. 2006
That's a total of 93 office developments under construction as of October 2006. And that doesn't include office developments in the outer suburbs where there are also many offices under construction around Disneyland Paris, around the scientific and high-tech campuses of Saclay and Evry, and in the new town of Sénart. And note again that it's only office developments, excluding residential and industrial developments.

Add to that the 33 office developments delivered between April and October 2006 according to the Paris Crane Survey, which I don't have the patience to list now. So, as you can imagine, it would take a full time paid person to list all these projects on Skyscrapercity. French forumers have other things to do than spending their life in front of their computers, so we list only the most prominent projects, and all you see on Skyscrapercity is the tip of the iceberg really.

Sadly, I'm quite sure that the myths and clichés will continue unabated. That's the essence of clichés, they don't need to be based on reality. Sometimes I wonder what Paris authorities would need to do to end these clichés. Do they have to build a 1,000 m skyscraper in front of Notre Dame so people finally open their eyes? Sad if it has to come to that.

Anyway, if any of the French forumers have pictures of the projects I listed here, it would be interesting to see them. In particular, does anyone have pictures of the 63,000 m² building under construction on Avenue de l'Europe in Bois-Colombes (developer: SEFRI-CIME/Beacon France Holdings)? This is as big as the Granite Tower and T1 Tower, and yet I don't think I have ever seen pictures of it...
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Old April 7th, 2007, 06:29 PM   #888
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You are quite interested enough to come and post gibberish like this though!

did you even understand what I meant?
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Old April 7th, 2007, 07:24 PM   #889
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did you even understand what I meant?
Yeah didn't you understand what he/she/it meant? He/she/it was just trying to take the piss out of WJFox, probably trying to start an argument and/or ruin the thread.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #890
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Kids, back to your dorms now.

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Old April 7th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #891
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Yeah didn't you understand what he/she/it meant? He/she/it was just trying to take the piss out of WJFox, probably trying to start an argument and/or ruin the thread.

says the 14 year old girl, that bashes paris at every occasion.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 07:57 PM   #892
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Is newcastle freak still lurking around? Neat!


I've got a question: what happened to those twin towers proposed near la defense? They're supposed to be over 40 stories I believe.
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I've got a question: what happened to those twin towers proposed near la defense? They're supposed to be over 40 stories I believe.
I guess you talk about the twin towers in Levallois. Well, everything is following the calendar perfectly. The former building occupying the location has been destroyed last fall. Preparation works are currently going on, and construction will start this summer.

By July, there will be 5 skyscrapers above 150 metres in construction in Paris:
- renovated AXA (240 m spire included)
- T1 (185 m)
- Granite (183 m)
- Levallois twin towers (165 m)

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says the 14 year old girl, that bashes paris at every occasion.
Wow, mature.

Serious Delahaye your worse than any UK forumers these days.

Believe it or not, I love Paris. I have been twice, and me and my family enjoyed it oads. A boat trip up the Seine, a trip up the Eiffel Tower at night. Amazing.

I don't, however' like many of the current projects of La Defense. I find many of them poor/tacky.

SO SORRY I don't have the same opinion as you.

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I've got a question: what happened to those twin towers proposed near la defense? They're supposed to be over 40 stories I believe.
'lurkers' don't tend to post. just 'lurk'. I LOVE posting in these threads. It's so EXCITING debating with these hypocrites.

You are both an excellent representation of the nice, non-offensive Paris forumers
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Old April 7th, 2007, 11:13 PM   #895
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Interesting thread. Thankx for info

so...any building u/c is ovewr the Eiffel Tower height?
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There are no buildings planned over the height of the Eiffel Tower. There could be though when the Tour Signal is announced.
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Interesting thread. Thankx for info

so...any building u/c is ovewr the Eiffel Tower height?
Generali will be 318m including the spire (the Eiffel Tower ir 300m not including the antenna).
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Generali will be 318m including the spire (the Eiffel Tower ir 300m not including the antenna).
In 1889, the Eiffel Tower measured exactly 312.27 meters including the flagpole on top of it. The flagpole was later replaced by an antenna, and in 1991 the Eiffel Tower measured exactly 317.96 meters with its antenna. By 1994, new antennas had been added, and the Eiffel Tower reached 318.7 meters. By 2000, new antennas had been added again, and the Eiffel Tower now reached 324 meters. Eventually, on January 17, 2005, yet another antenna was added (the 116th antenna on top of the Eiffel Tower so far), and the Eiffel Tower is now reaching 325 meters.

All this to say that the Generali Tower will have almost exactly the same height as the Eiffel Tower, and in fact would have been taller than the Eiffel Tower until 1994. But then who knows, Generali may decide to put an antenna on top of their skyscraper to beat the Eiffel Tower. An 8-meter (26 ft) long antenna would suffice to beat the Eiffel Tower. The Gan Tower already has an 8-meter antenna on top of its roof I know.
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I suppose antenna don't really count though as spires do. I guess because a spire is there as part of the actual building and an antenna is just there to communicate and can be taken down/replaced at anytime. I think the Eiffel tower isdifferent though because it is a 'tower' and not a skyscraper and so, unlike actual buildings, it's antenna can be included.
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Well, since nobody seems to have a picture of the 63,000 m² office development under construction on Avenue de l'Europe in Bois-Colombes, I made a quick research online and finally found one picture! This office development is the third largest under construction in Paris at the moment (#1 is Granite Tower and #2 is T1 Tower).

Here's a render:


And here's information provided by the developer:
Architect: Jean-Paul Viguier.

63,061 m² of usable floor space; underground parking with 1,103 parking spaces on two underground levels; to be delivered by the 2nd semester of 2008.

Utilities: raised floors; air conditioning provided by fan coils with individual control; office floor sizes: 18 to 20 meters by 1.35 meters; eating area; restaurant-club; auditorium; fitness; accessible terraces.

In close proximity to La Défense, in the heart of the new Les Bruyères district where the headquarters of Colgate-Palmolive and AVIVA are already located, it is an office development made up of five buildings around a central private park. The train station of Bécon-Les Bruyères, with trains going from La Défense to Saint-Lazare station in Central Paris, is located 350 meters (380 yards) from the development.
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