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Old June 12th, 2007, 08:45 PM   #1041
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Explain to people that NGF is a measurement from the sea-level, otherwise most people here won't understand you. E.g.: the height of the Eiffel Tower is 358.5 m NGF, but the actual height from street level is only 325 m (the height of the Eiffel Tower listed everywhere), because at the base of the Eiffel Tower the street level is 33.5 meters above sea-level.

Now, I'm sorry to tell you but your source is wrong. The height of Generali Tower will be 350 m NGF (as per the architect's plans), meaning 318 m from street level, so you see the Generali Tower is breaking your supposed 325 m NGF ceiling.

In fact there has never been a cap on height in La Défense (except when president Giscard d'Estaing banned tall buildings in the 1970s). I think this has been explained many times on the French forum.
Well sorry but here is the excerpt (in French sorry):

[...]L'objectif était de faire la tour la plus haute possible, un signal, un phare, qui frappe les imaginations au-delà de La Défense, au-delà de l'Ile-de-France, et même en Europe, tout en restant réaliste. Nous avons commandé une étude de faisabilité à une équipe d'architectes et d'ingénieurs structures_en l'occurence Setec TPI_qui ont démontré que l'on pouvait, malgré l'exiguïté du terrain, monter jusqu'à 400m. Nous avons dû ensuite réviser à la baisse car nous nous sommes heurtés au plafond établi par la navigation aérienne qui, pour le trafic vers Le Bourget et Roissy, interdit aux constructions de dépasser la côte NGF 350. Ce qui nous a ramenés à une hauteur depuis le sol d'environ 300m.[...]
-Christian Joubert, Unibail CEO - in Revue urbanisme #354 (May-June 2007) page 60.

I hate to tell you this but your 400m figure is just wishful thinking Brisavoine.
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Old June 12th, 2007, 08:53 PM   #1042
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This document says 350m NGF and not 325m NGF as you initially said. That's completely different. Indeed both Generali Tower and tour Phare do not break the 350m NGF limit. It is curious, however, that there would be such a limit since there was the tour sans fins project in the 1990s whose height was about 475m NGF. Other forumers in the know such as Phil have also repeatedly said that there is not height limit in La Défense, so I'd be curious to hear what they think of this article from Revue Urbanisme.
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Old June 12th, 2007, 09:14 PM   #1043
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I didn't know that you were a friend of the crazy Ceccaldis, Metropolitan. I'm worrying about you...
Talking to her doesn't mean that I'm a friend of her !

Actually, I campaigned against her for the parliamentary elections. I supported a right-wing dissident called Jean-Christophe Fromantin. It's exactly because of this that I ended up in the Neuilly City Hall on last sunday evening for the elections. I've followen there the results of the Neuilly-Puteaux cironscription in live.

As Ceccaldi came there to celebrate her "victory", I thought that after all it could still be a good opportunity to try to find out more about all these projects. It was funny to boo her during her speech, and congratulate her afterwards in order to steal some fresh news. How good it feels to behave so hypocritically !

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Old June 12th, 2007, 11:07 PM   #1044
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In Singapore no tower reaches 300 meters. The tallest towers there have a height of only 280 meters.
I know, and that's not my point. My point is : do you think Singapore's skyline is flat. I don't think so.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 04:59 PM   #1045
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In Revue Urbanism magazine #354 (May-June 2007) I came across an article in which a EPAD engineer was interviewed. He stated that the tallest towers cannot exceed 325m NGF, which means 300m. The reason given is that there is a flight corridor above la Défense. But is it the official reason? But since there is a mini feud between Paris City council and La Défense organization, I don't think that EPAD would be as kind as not to build something taller than the Eiffel Tower.
someone workin for OTH told me the max limit in LD is 400m NGF. not 300m. so ?
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Old June 13th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #1046
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The most of current Paris projects sucks imo
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Old June 13th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #1047
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the skyline of La Défense in a near future... (original photography by Cyril, french forumer)

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Old June 14th, 2007, 04:23 PM   #1048
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Good, la Defense will change.
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Old June 16th, 2007, 01:41 PM   #1049
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New pictures of Grand Moulin of Pantin.




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Old June 17th, 2007, 09:11 PM   #1050
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Some pictures of La Défense that I took a few months ago.

T1 Tower was still quite low:


From left to right, Total Tower (187 m), Coeur Défense (161 m), Areva Tower (184 m), EDF Tower (165 m):


EDF Tower on the left, Atlantique Tower on the right, Total Tower in the background:


Skywalk between the skyscrapers:




New residential developments next to the skyscrapers:


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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:37 AM   #1051
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Was it a mill originally?

Is it going to be converted into apartments?I love conversions so keep us updated please!
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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:55 AM   #1052
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no, in office. I agree it would be great in appartement.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:58 AM   #1053
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I see.Thanks.

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Old June 22nd, 2007, 06:01 PM   #1054
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Latest views of Granite Tower and T1 Tower.

Granite Tower is slowing reaching the top

Photos taken last Tuesday (June 19) by Sinha:




Photos taken last Wednesday (June 20) posted by Pollux:




The summit part of the T1 Tower is now being hoisted to be assembled on top of the tower.

Photos taken last Wednesday (June 20) by YKLD:




You can see views of the top floors taken on June 20 here:
http://www.t1-defense.com/int-t1-67.htm
http://www.t1-defense.com/haut-t1-67.htm
http://www.t1-defense.com/t1-67.htm
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 06:24 PM   #1055
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new renderings of the building C1 that will take place in boulogne-billancourt (near south west suburbs of paris) next to the seine river

architect : Jean Nouvel

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Old June 22nd, 2007, 06:44 PM   #1056
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^ Very interesting.I really like Paris projects.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 10:34 PM   #1057
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Some amazing Paris projects.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 12:46 AM   #1058
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The Citroën showroom on Champs Elysee. (It don't look real )
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Old June 25th, 2007, 08:21 PM   #1059
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^ Oh yeah awesome building.I love it!
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Old June 25th, 2007, 08:28 PM   #1060
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it will open in september...
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