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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:08 AM   #1081
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Yesterday Charles de Gaulle International Airport quietly opened a brand new terminal (its 9th terminal) without the fuss and hype Madrid Barajas or London Heathrow display for their new terminals...


That's maybe because the new terminals in Madrid and London do not collapse so Charles de Gaulle just want to keep a low profile or is it just because they look much better? By the way, I didn’t see “the fuss and hype” you are talking about when inaugurating the beautiful terminals of Madrid Barajas or London Heathrow…
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:30 AM   #1082
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@plasticboy Well said .

(franchement les gars vous etes allés trop loins et moi qui essayai de régler le problème avec l'eurasia ! si vous me parlez encore de french bashing je ne manquerai pas de vous citer.)

I think that the best way to fix it is to ask to the Moscovians if they are felling more Europeans or more Asians. After that no more problem.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:52 AM   #1083
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How perfectly ridiculous. French are ready to throw Moscow out of Europe just for the sake of finishing the "who get a taller stick" marathon in the first place? Niice.
It was just Brisavoine's idea of the French vision of Moscow. It doesn't mean it's a fact...

Moscow is of course in Europe and most of the French think the same.

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That's maybe because the new terminals in Madrid and London do not collapse so Charles de Gaulle just want to keep a low profile or is it just because they look much better?
I wonder for how many years people will talk about the collapse of a 20 meter long piece of roof in CDG?? There has been hundreds of building collapse all over the world, sometimes while they are still in construction but somehow this collapse is much more important than any other...

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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:58 AM   #1084
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As London and Paris can't build the tallest towers in Europe they'll have to concentrate on quality design.
London is scoring high right now while Paris still has to show evidence for that.

CDG is right to keep low profile as there's nothing to write home about.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:06 AM   #1085
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Exactly, for Western European cities it will be more a matter of design than height, although a significant height is important to impact the skyline.
Regarding design, if Generali is quite basic and even awkward, the new Axa will have an interesting shape and "soaring" effect. As for the Tour Phare by Morphosis, it triggers so much passionated reactions that it's difficult to judge. IMHO this is currently the most futuristic, innovative and risky proposed skyscraper. I am eager to see the result. But I understand the negative reactions since the Tour Phare challenges so much the usual conceptions people have about skyscrapers.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:16 AM   #1086
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N. Sarkozy is either crazy or doesn't know much about what he is talking about.

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Yesterday Charles de Gaulle International Airport quietly opened a brand new terminal (its 9th terminal) without the fuss and hype Madrid Barajas or London Heathrow display for their new terminals. This terminal (the S3 terminal) will have a capacity of 8.5 million passengers per year and a plane capacity of 20 plane stations (6 of which sized for the A380).

On that occasion, Nicolas Sarkozy, the new French president, made a very important speech concerning not just CDG airport but also the future of the Greater Paris metropolitan area. The basic message is: the French state is back managing Greater Paris. Nicolas Sarkozy looks set to launch the largest development project for Paris since the 1960s. Here are some of the key points of his speech:

- Greater Paris cannot continue managing things with short-term vision. We need a long term vision same as in the 1960s when the RER express subway, CDG Airport, the Périphérique freeway/motorway and the villes nouvelles ("new towns) were built under the leadership of de Gaulle.

- the time when French provincial cities (Lyon, Toulouse, etc.) had preferential treatment and Paris development was contained is over. Greater Paris is the most economically powerful region of Europe (says he) and the French government must help it develop further. He said "I would consider it shameful if the Paris metropolis allowed itself to fall behind Shanghai, London, or Dubai."

- Greater Paris must build the tallest towers in Europe

- Greater Paris must attract the best researchers in the world

- Greater Paris must be a number one financial center. Here he said: "Look, it's quite curious that the great financial center of Europe is London, where they don't have the euro. I mean it's really odd! We did the euro in order to be at the center of financial and monetary life, not to be excluded."

- the communes (local councils) must stop acting selfishly without considering the general interest of a "metropolis of 11 million people". He hinted that he's in favor of creating an administrative Greater Paris which will unify the City of Paris and the suburban communes.

- the suburbs must be turned into a real part of the city, with avenues and squares as in central Paris. A new ambitious housing policy needs to be launched. It is not acceptable that some suburbs are isolated and become ghettoes.

- ambitious transport infrastructures must be created. The Métrophérique express subway line around central Paris must be built (so far the regional council said it was too expensive). The CDG Express between CDG airport and central Paris must be built (the regional council was opposed).

- a big reform of the Paris universities much be launched. It is not acceptable that the medieval Sorbonne University (long disappeared) is more famous than the current great research centers and scientific universities located on the plateau de Saclay in the south of the Paris metropolitan area. The plateau de Saclay must be developed and turned into a real campus with worldwide fame.

- the 2025 development plan for Greater Paris issued by the regional council will be scrapped. It is too timid, not ambitious enough. Starting in the Autumn/Fall 2007, the French government will design a new more ambitious development plan for Greater Paris which will be approved in the end of 2008

This speech is the most important concerning Paris pronounced at this high level since the 1960s. I still need time to absorb all that I've heard. For those who understand French, you can hear the whole speech here: http://www.elysee.fr/elysee/elysee.f...lle.78946.html
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:59 AM   #1087
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Sarkozy is so childish...Poor France
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:13 PM   #1088
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It's obvious that Sarkozy was thinking about the EU when he said Europe... I don't understand why everybody is so picky about this whereas so many cities and official bodies are giving the same speech about the "tallest..." or the "biggest..." or the "most multicultural..." or the "most iconic..."
And by the way, his speech sounded on the contrary quite well-informed about the situation and the needs of the Paris region.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:09 PM   #1089
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Ah, OK Brisavoine, thanks for clearing that up. TBH I think the only person who does see Moscow as being in Europe is Coth lol (joke).
you still looks like kid (joke)
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:21 PM   #1090
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- the time when French provincial cities (Lyon, Toulouse, etc.) had preferential treatment and Paris development was contained is over.
Eurhhh... Eurhhhh... là, je m'étouffe.
Franchement.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:24 PM   #1091
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Yes me too, Toulouse and Lyon had preferencial treatments? When he says that the central government is taking over Greater Paris' administration clearly giving it a huge preferential treament?
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:35 PM   #1092
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Il est de plus en plus dangereux...maintenant il veut remettre en cause la péréquation nationale.

Que Paris autofinance ses projets de transport...on va rigoler!
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:43 PM   #1093
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I wonder for how many years people will talk about the collapse of a 20 meter long piece of roof in CDG?? There has been hundreds of building collapse all over the world, sometimes while they are still in construction but somehow this collapse is much more important than any other...
Probably once some of the forumers will stop talking with some arrogant attitude towards other projects... What do you think?...
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Old June 29th, 2007, 07:57 PM   #1094
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Il est de plus en plus dangereux...maintenant il veut remettre en cause la péréquation nationale.

Que Paris autofinance ses projets de transport...on va rigoler!
oulala on a très très peur
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Old June 29th, 2007, 08:12 PM   #1095
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L'IDF peut sans problème financer son Métrophérique en empruntant, sur de très longues durées s'il le faut.
Par ailleurs je ne vois pas en quoi c'est scandaleux que l'Etat participe au financement des infrastructures parisiennes, étant donné que le solde fiscal entre l'IDF et la province favorise cette dernière.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #1096
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In English please.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 09:23 PM   #1097
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moscow been and always be in europe! ! paris is still capital of europe but seems in few years that is gonna be change.........
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:09 PM   #1098
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:16 PM   #1099
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That's maybe because the new terminals in Madrid and London do not collapse so Charles de Gaulle just want to keep a low profile or is it just because they look much better? By the way, I didn’t see “the fuss and hype” you are talking about when inaugurating the beautiful terminals of Madrid Barajas or London Heathrow…
No, the real reason I think is because Aéroport de Paris (ADP) want to avoid any controversy with the people living near the airport. In Paris there are many people opposed to the development of Charles de Gaulle airport, same as in all the big cities of Europe and North America. If they had presented this as a new terminal with all the hype French people can muster for big developments (see the hype surrounding the new TGV East for example), then you can be sure there would have been mass protests from nymbies. Here ADP was very clever. They toned it down. It didn't make it into the news headlines. In French they don't even call it a terminal, they call it a "satellite". So most people probably don't know that a new very large terminal was opened at Charles de Gaulle, and those who have actually heard about it must be thinking this is some technical small thing (satellite). Very clever on the part of ADP.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:27 PM   #1100
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It's obvious that Sarkozy was thinking about the EU when he said Europe... I don't understand why everybody is so picky about this whereas so many cities and official bodies are giving the same speech about the "tallest..." or the "biggest..." or the "most multicultural..." or the "most iconic..."
And by the way, his speech sounded on the contrary quite well-informed about the situation and the needs of the Paris region.
Forget it Good. It's just the usual French forumers who love to bash their country, their president, their capital city, you name it, in public. I think it's called auto-flagellation. Simply pathetic.
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