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Old June 30th, 2007, 02:26 AM   #1101
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Why do some people think that Moscow is not in Europe? Culture? Well, there is no single "european culture". Just read "War and Peace" or some other books to discover just how much more close Russia is to the cultures of France or Germany than China or Mongolia.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 02:29 AM   #1102
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Many russians were influenced by superior ukrainian culture, so I think they can be classified as Europeans
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Old June 30th, 2007, 02:31 AM   #1103
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No but for french people when we said Europe it is more about western Europe (Now we can add the all the E.U). Moscow is in Europe but not in our Europe, it is a bit weird.

The only thing that I can say, it is that for French people Moscow is not in Asia and Russia is more European than Asian.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 02:45 AM   #1104
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For french people Russia is the land of Vodka and cold weather, I don't know if it goes much further than that lol
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Old June 30th, 2007, 02:53 AM   #1105
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Back to the topic please.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 02:54 AM   #1106
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For french people Russia is the land of Vodka and cold weather, I don't know if it goes much further than that lol
Sorry about taking this off-topic, but Russia ranges from tundra in the arctic circle to subtropical paradise on the Black Sea

And we have several types of vodka
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Old June 30th, 2007, 05:09 AM   #1107
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Guys, when you'll have finished arguing over Moscow in this Paris thread, perhaps we can get back to Paris projects and skyscrapers.

Here's a very recent pic (like one or two days old) showing workers installing the spire on top of the T1 Tower. This pic was discovered by our Hong Kong lover JP on Flickr (posted there by Lazy3). From what I understand, these beams will be entirely covered by a sort of screen or lattice.

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Old July 1st, 2007, 12:37 AM   #1108
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A recent picture of Granite Tower by the now famous left-wing blogger Christophe Grébert (of MonPuteaux.com fame).

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Old July 1st, 2007, 12:54 PM   #1109
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Wow, Granite Tower is massive!
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Old July 1st, 2007, 04:51 PM   #1110
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Yes very impressive picture, the street to la Défense shots are the best.
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Old July 1st, 2007, 05:05 PM   #1111
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Both pics are great
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Old July 1st, 2007, 06:50 PM   #1112
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Nice cladding.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 05:49 AM   #1113
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The Citroën showroom on Champs Elysee. (It don't look real )
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That is one of the coolest wall-to-wall building I've ever seen! It's a bold statement, that's for sure. I gotta say, I don't find Paris skyscrapers to be all that impressive, but their smaller projects can be great!
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 06:49 AM   #1114
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Why do some people think that Moscow is not in Europe? Culture? Well, there is no single "european culture". Just read "War and Peace" or some other books to discover just how much more close Russia is to the cultures of France or Germany than China or Mongolia.
Russian people have European blood, but so do people from Oklahoma and Texas. However, Russians embrace "European" values even less so than Texan cowboys. Therefore, while, racially, Russians are European, culturally, they are not.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 10:36 AM   #1115
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Huh? So when there was a bunch of dictators in Europe just 60 years ago that didnt share any of the so called "european values" they were still European?

At the end of the day what matters is how we feel about it, geographically we are in Europe and a recent poll on the Russian subforum showed that most Russians feel European, some feel Eurasian while the rest feels just Russian. Some joker (later admitted) voted for Asia, but he was the only one

p.s. lets take this to another thread or pm

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Old July 2nd, 2007, 03:39 PM   #1116
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Rudy Ricciotti proposed an interesting building located near to the Grande Bibliothèque. End : 2011.



Ricciotti is being a new great french signature. He won few years ago the projet for the Department of Islamic Arts of Le Louvre (2009).

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I really like both of the projects.Ricciotti is good
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 04:11 PM   #1118
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Les Magasins généraux on the bank of the Seine in the 13th arrondissement.

It is an old warehouse, transformated in a cutural place with shopping space, restaurants, The french institute of mode (IFM)... ner the french national library and the new districts of Bercy and Paris rive gauche.



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Old July 2nd, 2007, 05:31 PM   #1119
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No, the real reason I think is because Aéroport de Paris (ADP) want to avoid any controversy with the people living near the airport. In Paris there are many people opposed to the development of Charles de Gaulle airport, same as in all the big cities of Europe and North America. If they had presented this as a new terminal with all the hype French people can muster for big developments (see the hype surrounding the new TGV East for example), then you can be sure there would have been mass protests from nymbies. Here ADP was very clever. They toned it down. It didn't make it into the news headlines. In French they don't even call it a terminal, they call it a "satellite". So most people probably don't know that a new very large terminal was opened at Charles de Gaulle, and those who have actually heard about it must be thinking this is some technical small thing (satellite). Very clever on the part of ADP.
Bollocks. As if airport facilities were not a nuisance in other European cities.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 05:34 PM   #1120
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Revamp of Paris busiest transport interchange

LES HALLES



11m tall glass canopy with an extended urban park.
Replace a complex structure dating back to the 70s.

Already nicknamed the "toilet basin".
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