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Old August 2nd, 2006, 06:19 AM   #181
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By the way, I am basing the identity of "Zamzam tower" within the complex on an explanation that Riyadhi said sometime last year:

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Here are some pictures and information to help understand the schem of the project,

The project is called ''Abraj Al-Bait" and it consists of 7 towers,
1- Hotel Tower 485 m (2008)
2- Hajar 260 m (2007)
3- ZamZam 260 m (2006)
4- Qiblah 240 m (2008)
5- Sarah 240 m (2008)
6- Marwah 240 m (2006)
7- Safa 240 m (2007)

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9...rajplan0tp.jpg

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/388...numcopy8kr.jpg

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/9630/photonum4uy.jpg
I am interested: where did you aquire this detailed information?
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:08 AM   #182
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[QUOTE=Riyadhi]Hey everybody, this is the NOT a re-design. It is actually the OLD design of Abraj Al Bait.

I hope you are right Riyadhi. The decapitated version does look very much like the Venetian in Las Vegas minus the slot machines and show girls, of course.

Help me understand this building. Muslims (generally) are much more devout than Christians, but if you put something like that next to the Vatican -- something so close and big you could see it in the post cards -- I think the builder and city planner might be threatened with excommunication. Abraj Al-Bait lends a Disneyland quality to the Holy Ka'aba and turns the Haj into a spectator sport. Imagine the adverstisements:Come view the Holiest Place on Earth from the comfort of your air conditioned suite. Order room service while you watch the pilgrims complete their tawafs. Why is this commercialization of something so sacred not sacrilege?
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 08:09 AM   #183
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well exactly it would of looked far better as a low rise building that actually did not try to take away the dignity and importance of this holy place. I am not a muslim but If I were I would not be happy about this building going up overlooking what was is to some the most important place on earth.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 06:53 PM   #184
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I agree, it seems quite outrageous really. I'm used to English Heritage doing anything it can to protect views and sightlines of old London landmarks, but this turns that on it's head. It's a nice building still though, just very close.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 09:13 PM   #185
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i was a big fan of the old designs and old colors and glass. this is a big disapointment
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 09:16 PM   #186
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Good design!!
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 12:37 AM   #187
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceScraper
Imagine the adverstisements:Come view the Holiest Place on Earth from the comfort of your air conditioned suite. Order room service while you watch the pilgrims complete their tawafs. Why is this commercialization of something so sacred not sacrilege?
ROFL, you hit the nail on the head :P
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 02:13 AM   #188
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It's amusing how all the non-muslims are crying foul over the construction of this project like it is sacriligious to them....well to all the non-muslims....i'm sorry..

i'm sorry for realizing we need to best use the space around the Kaba'a. I'm sorry for the fact that we are making it possible for people coming from thousands of miles away stay in proper accomodations instead of age-old houses that were at a risk of collapsing, had poor sanitation, etc etc. I'm sorry that you have to envy these developments....and I'm sorry we aren't the relics you would like us to be...

so...in conclusion....if you have not lived in Makkah or been there, you have no idea how badly these buildings are needed in Makkah....so I, for one, am really glad these buildings are getting built...and I would like to see more of these in the future. If these buildings can replace the buildings that are currently there....the ones in really bad shape....then these projects aren't against Islam....they'll be blessed by God....seriously.....sorry if I came off a bit religious there...

Oh...what's the deal with these other renderings...like honestly? i really hope they haven't changed the designs and riyadhi is right.....can we please confirm that the designs we all like will be the one that gets built? please?
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 07:39 AM   #189
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I am coming from a design perspective here not a religious one. I'm not disrespecting your country or how you would like to be percieved as a nation. I'm just concerned that there has not been enough thought about the development and its proximity next to this national monument. Oh and ' im sorry' what have you to be sorry about?
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 07:34 PM   #190
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I am a Muslim and I agree with the points by the other forumers... These towers are WAY TO BIG... They completely overshadow the Kabba, and on top of that, they are quite ugly.. Look like over ambitious Commuinst era buildings. Just shows the lack of imagination on the part of planners. With all the money the Saudis have, and all the creativity that abounds in the Muslim world, its sad that this is the best anyone could come up with. Just another example of Saudi govt taking decision for everyone, and not taking the concerns and views of other people. They have no problem knocking down historical and cultural landmarks, but they built this monstrosity before anyone even knew it was being built.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 08:42 PM   #191
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With regard to comment by Jamandell -
English Heritage works to preserve age old sightlines.
I think a lot of the forumers here don't realize the mosque itself is quite new for the most part. The bulk of the structure dates from around the 1980s. The inner core is from the Ottoman period as far as my memory serves me. There is no building here dating from the time of the Prophet - the Kabah itself has been rebuilt several times. And, there is nothing sacreligeous about building a hotel to house pilgrims. I do agree though that the design while impressive is also garish and distracts from the mosque.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 01:36 AM   #192
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Latest Pic's of Abraj Albait , yet underconstruction. (pictures taken Summer 2006)



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Old August 23rd, 2006, 02:46 AM   #193
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I do NOT oppose Mecca getting a skyline (and a sweet skyline at that) but they should've created a specific hi-rise district in another part of the city: better planning was needed for this. The area around the Mosque should remain clear for future expansion (Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world) It would be so easy for the Saudi govt to install subways/LRT's to serve the pilgrims and locals instead of building these hi-rise hotels right next to the Kaaba to be "close at hand". Hajj and Umrah are meant to be hard wearing, exhaustive, and ultimately, life-changing experiences. That's the point of pilgrims exclaiming "Labaik, Allahumma, Labaik!" ("Here I am, oh God! Here i am!") in joy when they finally see the Kaaba. Coming from the cool confines of a nice hotel and then just stepping in the front door of the mosque and saying that sorta takes the biscuit.

In short the Abraj sure are nice, BUT are wayy too near al-Masjid-al-Haram imho. I (and millions of Muslims around the world who don't have the luxury of having the Qibla of Qiblas (the Kaaba) in their backyards) would've prefered the area around this Holy site to be somewhat "preserved" if not left clear for future expansion of the Mosque without the issue of possible cramming; the density in Mecca is thick enough, as u can see from Google Earth.

Great point!
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 05:27 AM   #194
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Jeez, If the deisign is changed to that Vegas one, I am killing Myself! Where is the Islamic Architecture in there??????

Anywho, I agree that the Mecca city council should have planned a skyscraper district somewhere else, far from the Kaabah. Its like when you have your pilgrimage, you pray and instead of seeing Allah up there, you see these towers lol.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 08:03 AM   #195
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this is building in very insolite !!!
one building in the mecqua is symbol
very beautiful project
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Old September 5th, 2006, 03:19 AM   #196
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Any new construction photos?
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Old September 5th, 2006, 05:11 AM   #197
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yeah that would be nice. less crap talk.
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Old September 6th, 2006, 12:59 AM   #198
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can't wait to see it finished
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Old September 6th, 2006, 01:13 AM   #199
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The last thing I wanted around the Ka'aba was a skyscraper
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Old September 6th, 2006, 06:32 PM   #200
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yeah that would be nice. less crap talk.
And who exactally are you talking to like that?
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