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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #3341
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Old October 28th, 2009, 08:36 PM   #3342
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This project is called "Rawabi Abraj Albait". It is 21 towers directly behind Abraj Albait. I don't know about the platforms, but they are only seen in that previous sigle pic!





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Old October 29th, 2009, 04:18 AM   #3343
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Should make for quite a statement to satellite imagery.

Erbse, I somewhat agree. These structures are supposed to provide practical space for massive populations of visitors staying only temporarily, all the while attempting to "harmonize" with the surroundings and represent the culture through the buildings' designs... which is practical, of course.

But, the end result just looks juvenile, egotistical, and if anything, like a trumped up vegas casino.

I just mean to say that these things certainly backfired on the subtlety card. They really could have gone a different direction with the design while keeping with the scale.

Oh well, it's still fun to look at.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 05:17 AM   #3344
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I really dont like the location of this new projects, because they make look the religious place like nothing.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 05:39 AM   #3345
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Should make for quite a statement to satellite imagery.
It'll be sideways on Google Earth/Maps.

Would have been fun if it had turned out to be an inverted cross.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 06:02 AM   #3346
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BennyYarnell, you really made a great effort to discover what architects were trying to hide for so long
Man just enjoy, it's only a building. And by the way, Makkah has been the main trading center in arabia for thousands of years, and it is still a main trading center, not only a place for visitors who will stay temporary. The buildings, on the other hand, simply represent the mixed culture of modern saudi arabia. A style that many people are not familiar with. Of course you would compare them to someting you have seen before, like Las Vegas. This is natural, because you and ebse are probably familiar with buildings' styles there. You may ask yourself the question of similarities without examining closely, but if you concentrate, you'll see alot of differences.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 08:45 AM   #3347
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BennyYarnell, you really made a great effort to discover what architects were trying to hide for so long
Man just enjoy, it's only a building. And by the way, Makkah has been the main trading center in arabia for thousands of years, and it is still a main trading center, not only a place for visitors who will stay temporary. The buildings, on the other hand, simply represent the mixed culture of modern saudi arabia. A style that many people are not familiar with. Of course you would compare them to someting you have seen before, like Las Vegas. This is natural, because you and ebse are probably familiar with buildings' styles there. You may ask yourself the question of similarities without examining closely, but if you concentrate, you'll see alot of differences.
So the attitude of Islam, regarding their most important religious site, should be "Man just enjoy, it's only a building"?

And that's quite an assumption you've made about me. Do you know what I've seen and where I've been?

But of course, I'm an American. I must shop at Walmart and eat fast food and watch tv all day. Naturally, as you say, I would be predisposed to thinking Vegas is the premier statement of defining Western architecture, and it never occurred to me that anything is happening outside the US borders.

And of course I have no clue what contemporary Saudi Arabia looks like or where it's going. I ignore all the Saudi development threads and head straight for the Vegas section.


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Old October 29th, 2009, 09:32 AM   #3348
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I'm sorry. I did not know that you have high regards for Islam and the most important religious site when you pointed out that imaginary cross. I really didn't pay attention to that. I made assumptions about Vegas from reading your own analysis since you've mentioned it there. You should thank me for paying attention and providing you with new knowledge.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 11:11 AM   #3349
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I think everything will be fine. If all the buildings in the world were 5 stories tall on average and they decided to build a 15 story building in Mecca there will be some protests as well. Just because it's big doesn't mean it's bad. Then again "big" is relative.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 12:41 PM   #3350
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in this case the subject is REAAALY big
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Old October 29th, 2009, 01:06 PM   #3351
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I'm sorry. I did not know that you have high regards for Islam and the most important religious site when you pointed out that imaginary cross. I really didn't pay attention to that. I made assumptions about Vegas from reading your own analysis since you've mentioned it there. You should thank me for paying attention and providing you with new knowledge.

How does merely pointing out a giant, near-obvious cross have anything to do with my regards for Islam? Ibib, I'd like to point out something else near-obvious; Your talent for twisting words with fallible logic.

And yes, you certainly did assume about Vegas. So many assumptions.

Ibib, go back, re-read each of my posts, and think real hard. Not so hard as to begin assuming things though. Just stick to plain old common sense and clarity.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 01:15 PM   #3352
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i can find millions of crosses in that pic, seriously its just a double line =_=
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Old October 29th, 2009, 02:29 PM   #3353
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Should make for quite a statement to satellite imagery.

Erbse, I somewhat agree. These structures are supposed to provide practical space for massive populations of visitors staying only temporarily, all the while attempting to "harmonize" with the surroundings and represent the culture through the buildings' designs... which is practical, of course.

But, the end result just looks juvenile, egotistical, and if anything, like a trumped up vegas casino.

I just mean to say that these things certainly backfired on the subtlety card. They really could have gone a different direction with the design while keeping with the scale.

Oh well, it's still fun to look at.
u will find crosses everywhere. it is simply two lines that cross eachother
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Old October 29th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #3354
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Old October 29th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #3355
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whenever I check this thread to see what's going on, I always feel quite... well, I feel really disoriented.

The Abraj Al-Bait, as I learned some years ago on this very thread, has been built upon the relics of an ancient Octoman fort. This alone leaves me with quite a lot unanswered questions, as "is it right?" "shouldn't "memory" be preserved for next generations to come?". I know this is quite an European way of thinking, many don't share my view.

But, apart from heritage questions - which belong to UNESCO rather than SSC, IMHO - the thing is: Mecca is the holy place for about 1.3 billion people on this planet. Did they want to see their holiest place reduced to a sort of big shopping mall? 'cause this is what Abraj Al-Bait is: hotels, and Top Shop.
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whenever I check this thread to see what's going on, I always feel quite... well, I feel really disoriented.

The Abraj Al-Bait, as I learned some years ago on this very thread, has been built upon the relics of an ancient Octoman fort. This alone leaves me with quite a lot unanswered questions, as "is it right?" "shouldn't "memory" be preserved for next generations to come?". I know this is quite an European way of thinking, many don't share my view.

But, apart from heritage questions - which belong to UNESCO rather than SSC, IMHO - the thing is: Mecca is the holy place for about 1.3 billion people on this planet. Did they want to see their holiest place reduced to a sort of big shopping mall? 'cause this is what Abraj Al-Bait is: hotels, and Top Shop.
When I think about it- it's their problem and their heritage. If they want to destroy it- they can destroy it. A non-Muslim can't go there anyway so I don't actually care.
There are many other places with well-preserved Islamic architecture which looks good even though it wasn't rebuilt many times. Take the Golden Dome in Jerusalem as an example- it's one of the oldest mosques on Earth and although it looks almost like it looked 1,300 years ago- it still looks good and is one of the landmarks of Jerusalem although almost no serious modifications have been made:


But again, their heritage, their country- their decision.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 09:04 PM   #3357
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They're spending a lot on this eh? I wonder what percentage of the Saudi economy relies on religious tourism.
lets put it this way. Even if oil runs out in Saudi arabia, saudi arabia progress won't be significantly affected.

Saudi arabia's edge over other gulf nations is that apart from oil income, the income from hajj and umra travellers doubles saudi's income regardless of global economic situation.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #3358
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But again, their heritage, their country- their decision.
We're living in a globalized world and countries shouldn't decide about their heritage alone. That's why there's UNESCO. Think of what would've happened to many landmarks (esp. Ancient ones) throughout the world if no one would care.

Just imagine they'd decide to tear down the Golden Dome in Jerusalem - "their heritage, their country - their decision"? Oy vey...
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lets put it this way. Even if oil runs out in Saudi arabia, saudi arabia progress won't be significantly affected.

Saudi arabia's edge over other gulf nations is that apart from oil income, the income from hajj and umra travellers doubles saudi's income regardless of global economic situation.
A single oil barrel is around 80 US$, multiply that by 20,000,000 barrels per day, multiply that by 365 days per year and that's around 500 billion dollars per year. I doubt that the Saudi economy makes more than 100 billion US$ each year from the hajj travellers.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #3360
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I really dont like the location of this new projects, because they make look the religious place like nothing.
i have thought EXACTLY the same thing and im of a different religion then you my freind...but ive thought the exact same thing
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