daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Development News Forums > General Urban Developments > DN Archives



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old March 19th, 2010, 08:10 PM   #3941
Amrafel
Bratislava YIMBY
 
Amrafel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia/Prague, Czech Republic
Posts: 7,776
Likes (Received): 5088

I dont feel prejudice against Saudi Arabia or Islamic culture, I love it. And thats why I think that this project is horrible. Mecca is the saint city, not Disneyland or Las Vegas. Can you imagine something like this near the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, in the center of Rome, in the Ganges riverbank in Benares? Me not. Thats why I think that this project is a crime, same as Abraj al-Bait

Mecca projects reminds me of this]...In a word, barbarism
__________________
FRESH UPDATES AND INFORMATION ABOUT BRATISLAVA DEVELOPMENT ON

BRATISLAVA YIMBY.
Amrafel está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 19th, 2010, 09:48 PM   #3942
Apoc89
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 287
Likes (Received): 55

Iconoclasm is the destruction of religious imagery and icons...these new buildings, being built in a modern Islamic style, are in fact doing the opposite, respecting the religious nature of Mecca. They're fixing the previous iconoclasm, brought on by the concrete garbage that fills Mecca today.

Yes, they're large and a bit overbearing, but you have to be practical. This is because of the nature of Hajj, the increasing (Muslim) population, and especially the increasingly growing part that can afford fast modern transport.

While I'm sure Rome and Jerusalem and other religious cities get large amounts of pilgrims, if every member of their respective religions were required to travel there once in their lives, at a specific 6-day period each year, in which rituals have to performed at strict times and locations, you can be sure that the areas around their major sites would be equipped to handle far more dense amounts of visitors.
Apoc89 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2010, 06:22 AM   #3943
GulfArabia
 
GulfArabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: KSA
Posts: 2,665
Likes (Received): 1513

i think las vegas is the one who stole the arabian culture, there are no casinos or bars and any of that in saudi or makkah, and unlike any holy city in the world this one gets visited by over 5 million ppl at the same time, and saudi limits the visa to makkah because if they don't probably 10 million will be there
GulfArabia no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2010, 10:07 AM   #3944
TowerJunkie
Registered User
 
TowerJunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 343
Likes (Received): 127

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apoc89 View Post
I like how all the people saying its "tasteless", "ruins the city", with typical digs at Arab oil, etc. as if the mosque is surrounded by architectural masterpieces at the moment.

IMO Mecca has been "ruined" for the last half century and so by surrounding the holiest site in Islam with all these bland Third World highrises, and projects like Abraj al Bait are steps towards fixing the damage.
I think the resistance to the change is the appreciation for the historic look of the city, much in the same way that Paris and Washington DC are resistant to large buildings.
TowerJunkie no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #3945
Apoc89
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 287
Likes (Received): 55

But like I've said, most of Mecca's "historic look" has already been destroyed by the concrete blocks that fill the city, and these buildings are bringing it back, although in an enlarged modern form that takes into account the density of the modern Hajj.

Rather than compare it to Washington or Paris(which still have most of their history still intact), I'd compare it to what is happening in many German cities, which are replacing their own concrete monsters with classic architecture that they lost during WW2.
Apoc89 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2010, 08:31 PM   #3946
ibib
Registered User
 
ibib's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,665
Likes (Received): 2894

Stop comparing Makkah to any other place. The city has been in continuous reform for more than a thousand year, and this will not stop. Makkah is not a museum, and as it changed before it will continue changing, nothing new. Covering hatred for Saudi or Islamic culture in this way is really pethetic. Focus on the building and leave your prejudices out of this forum.
__________________
Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve. Dr. Napoleon Hill
ibib no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2010, 11:26 PM   #3947
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Quote:
Originally Posted by abumuhannadh View Post
will it ever come to pass, that people who comment in this topic leave their prejudices and hate for Saudi Arabia...
I think this is great and is a good symbol or Arab wealth and power!
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 01:50 AM   #3948
travelbug
Registered User
 
travelbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 18,971
Likes (Received): 9

I have to say this and it is not born out of any hatred or disrespect for Islam or Saudi Arabia, so if I am allowed to express my opinion here it is:

I do not like the aesthetics of this building, not because of where it is but because I just don't like it. It's proportions feel clunky and the overall effect feels messy to me.

I would say this if it were built in Riyadh, New York or London. I just don't like the architectural form, however impressively big it is.
travelbug no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 03:01 AM   #3949
SaRaJeVo-City
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Saraybosna, BH
Posts: 3,731
Likes (Received): 17

has demolition started for the construction of that new road?
SaRaJeVo-City no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 05:28 AM   #3950
Rody69
Registered User
 
Rody69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Jeddah-London
Posts: 2,404
Likes (Received): 1918

yup
phase one has started on the 21st of FEB 2010

source:
http://www.al-madina.com/node/226214
but you need to use google translator
Rody69 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 06:37 AM   #3951
kaul
Registered User
 
kaul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 102
Likes (Received): 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by krkseg1ops View Post
No because usually people with bad tastes are those with oil rigs in their backyards
haha i got the humor
kaul no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 06:49 AM   #3952
TSZ
Registered User
 
TSZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: DUBAI
Posts: 8
Likes (Received): 0

NOT FUNNY

This is called ENVY, and this project in my opinion totally fits and is exactly what MECCA needs at this time
TSZ no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 12:17 PM   #3953
Muttie
Registered User
 
Muttie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Rotterdam - Nador - Tangier
Posts: 4,085
Likes (Received): 1347

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amrafel View Post
I dont feel prejudice against Saudi Arabia or Islamic culture, I love it. And thats why I think that this project is horrible. Mecca is the saint city, not Disneyland or Las Vegas. Can you imagine something like this near the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, in the center of Rome, in the Ganges riverbank in Benares? Me not. Thats why I think that this project is a crime, same as Abraj al-Bait

Mecca projects reminds me of this]...In a word, barbarism
So because Disney and Las Vegas stole Islamic architecture, Islamic countries are not allowed to use it anymore? The world upside down.
Muttie no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 05:14 PM   #3954
GulfArabia
 
GulfArabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: KSA
Posts: 2,665
Likes (Received): 1513

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muttie View Post
So because Disney and Las Vegas stole Islamic architecture, Islamic countries are not allowed to use it anymore? The world upside down.


TRUE
GulfArabia no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 05:26 PM   #3955
GOL2007
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 406
Likes (Received): 110

Quote:
Originally Posted by TSZ View Post
NOT FUNNY
It IS funny because he was speaking of TEXAS!!!
__________________
sorri four mei bat inglisch!
GOL2007 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 06:38 PM   #3956
Madman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hampshire / Bloomsbury
Posts: 2,983
Likes (Received): 40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muttie View Post
So because Disney and Las Vegas stole Islamic architecture, Islamic countries are not allowed to use it anymore? The world upside down.
Thats not at all what he said, what he did say was that as the place is of utmost spiritual importance he felt the situation of the tower is unsuitable. For instance in the UK i would vehemently oppose the construction of skyscrapers beside our most spiritual sites such as Canterbury Cathedral. Winchester Cathedral or York Minster.

This has nothing to do with islamic countries not being allowed to build in an islamic style, but about the importane of sensitivity to context in such holy places, irrespective of the country.
Madman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 07:03 PM   #3957
raymay
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Antalya
Posts: 128
Likes (Received): 2

Thanks Allah i am Muslim

I will definately visit Mecca in future.Every muslim must visit Mecca in his life,if he have the financial background.
raymay no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 07:15 PM   #3958
Muttie
Registered User
 
Muttie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Rotterdam - Nador - Tangier
Posts: 4,085
Likes (Received): 1347

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madman View Post
Thats not at all what he said, what he did say was that as the place is of utmost spiritual importance he felt the situation of the tower is unsuitable. For instance in the UK i would vehemently oppose the construction of skyscrapers beside our most spiritual sites such as Canterbury Cathedral. Winchester Cathedral or York Minster.

This has nothing to do with islamic countries not being allowed to build in an islamic style, but about the importane of sensitivity to context in such holy places, irrespective of the country.
The spiritual place will be the same, it wont be moved, it wont be changed. The spiritual part of Mekkah, which contains the Mosque and the Kaaba are on the same spot - and still have the same spiritual value - even if the whole city of Mekkah was a friggin skyscrapercity. The tower is suitable because a) its in line with traditional islamic architecture b) its being used to facilitate muslims and make their stay in Mekkah more comfortable. I'd rather have big quality buildings than tons of semi-highrise packed against eachother.
Muttie no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 08:17 PM   #3959
GulfArabia
 
GulfArabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: KSA
Posts: 2,665
Likes (Received): 1513

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madman View Post
Thats not at all what he said, what he did say was that as the place is of utmost spiritual importance he felt the situation of the tower is unsuitable. For instance in the UK i would vehemently oppose the construction of skyscrapers beside our most spiritual sites such as Canterbury Cathedral. Winchester Cathedral or York Minster.

This has nothing to do with islamic countries not being allowed to build in an islamic style, but about the importane of sensitivity to context in such holy places, irrespective of the country.
its the 20th century, and islam is here to stay till what we religious people call "judgment day", makkah is a mix of arabian architecture, islamic architecture, weather from the past or modern times
GulfArabia no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 21st, 2010, 08:22 PM   #3960
GulfArabia
 
GulfArabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: KSA
Posts: 2,665
Likes (Received): 1513

Monorail in Makkah to be ready by next year








Construction of the monorail that links the holy sites in Makkah is progressing at a rapid pace. (AN photo by Ahmad Hashad)

By BADEA ABU AL-NAJA | ARAB NEWS

Published: Mar 20, 2010 23:39 Updated: Mar 20, 2010 23:39


Monorail in Makkah to be ready by next year

Construction of the monorail that links the holy sites in Makkah is progressing at a rapid pace. (AN photo by Ahmad Hashad)

By BADEA ABU AL-NAJA | ARAB NEWS

Published: Mar 20, 2010 23:39 Updated: Mar 20, 2010 23:39

MAKKAH: The Makkah Monorail project is expected to become fully operational before the commencement of Haj next year, while 35 percent of the project will be ready for pilgrims by the end of the present year.

Four international consultancy firms began feasibility studies to undertake the SR6.65 billion project in early 2009.

The first part of the project that will be completed will be the line that begins from the southeast of Arafat (where most domestic and Gulf pilgrims converge) to Muzdalifah.

The rail network will initially link the holy sites to the Haramain Railway and other railway networks, and eventually to the Gulf Railway. It is expected to solve the traffic difficulties pilgrims face during the annual Haj.

Each of the five lines of the monorail project will have an hourly capacity to carry 60,000 to 80,000 passengers between Mina, Arafat and Muzdalifah, and at a later stage Mina and Makkah.

The project has been launched with the construction of the southern line because most Saudi and Gulf pilgrims camp in that area of Mina. These pilgrims need 35,000 vehicles for transportation between the holy sites.

On completion, pilgrims will have to walk no more than 300 meters to reach one of the three monorail boarding stations in Arafat. Muzdalifah will also have three stations, while the stations in Mina will be close to its entry points, its center and the fourth floor of the Jamrat Bridge.

The stations will be elevated and pilgrims will have access to escalators and staircases to reach them.

All trains will have 12 large compartments, each of which will be 23 meters long and three meters wide.

Each compartment will have five two-meter wide doors on each side and a capacity to carry 250 to 300 passengers.

The second line to be constructed will be the central line linking Arafat and Mina.


http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article32595.ece
GulfArabia no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
abraj al bait, saudi arabia

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium