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Old September 7th, 2010, 08:03 AM   #5441
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:01 AM   #5442
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I don't think that was their intention. If it was, I am sure a much taller tower/project would have been conceived. Think about the amount of money being spent in the country on various projects. Don't you think they could have made this taller by another few hundred meters and thus eclipse the burj khalifa? But they didn't..

Also, I know and understand it is sad when people are more impressed by a hotel/building than the mosque itself. Ideally, none of us would like that. However, just because you would rather stay at a 3-star hotel and donate the rest of the money to charity (a noble thing to do) does not mean we can expect others to follow that example. People have money and they will seek luxury, even in Makkah. That is a fact we have to accept. So, with that in mind, is it not better if that luxury is provided by a project that channels its proceeds back into the Grand Mosque?
I have been following this thread for months now although writing here for the first time, I agree with the above comments, well said.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:52 AM   #5443
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I don't think that was their intention. If it was, I am sure a much taller tower/project would have been conceived. Think about the amount of money being spent in the country on various projects. Don't you think they could have made this taller by another few hundred meters and thus eclipse the burj khalifa? But they didn't..

Also, I know and understand it is sad when people are more impressed by a hotel/building than the mosque itself. Ideally, none of us would like that. However, just because you would rather stay at a 3-star hotel and donate the rest of the money to charity (a noble thing to do) does not mean we can expect others to follow that example. People have money and they will seek luxury, even in Makkah. That is a fact we have to accept. So, with that in mind, is it not better if that luxury is provided by a project that channels its proceeds back into the Grand Mosque?
Well said. I didn't know the proceeds where going to be spent back on the Grand Mosque. Which is excellent. Yes there are people like that, people even pickpocket there. But if it is providing a good level of comfort for people then yeah, it's a good thing.

I'm especially liking the lunar part of the building.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #5444
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Why are you in such a shock? I personally know non-Muslims who've been there.
i am not in shock.
let me make it little shallower,
non-Muslims are not allowed to enter Makkah, but some people do anyways,
just like some people taking heroin even though it is not allowed in any country i know of.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:10 PM   #5445
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Funny thing you compare religion to heroine
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:24 PM   #5446
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back on topic guys, before this thread gets locked again........
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:35 PM   #5447
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1431 years ago the Decision was made final. that won't change
Goes to show that ordinary mortal men make all these rules. That's no time at all in the scheme of things.....
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:30 PM   #5448
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the current capacity is 4 Million. the future aim is 10 Million.

Non-muslims are not allowed to enter Makkah, this is clear and undebatable (written in the Quran). and in the year 2000 there were 1 billion muslims, in 2005 they became 1.6 billion. if the oil runs out, we will not run out of muslims. so don't get your hopes up.

islam & Makkah has been here for thousands of years, we were living without oil just fine and we don't need it to live.
I saw a TV show on that building, they said religious tourism will be Saudi's main source of income in the future. However I'm a bit concerned that this might be overstated.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:35 PM   #5449
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If you ask me, they should boost the German economy a bit by having us build a Transrapid network from Mecca to all major muslim population centers in the Middle East (or rather, from all the major muslim population centers in the Middle East to Mecca). It could get large masses of people there fast and easy boosting Saudi-Arabia's pilgim "industry" and create many jobs in Germany. We both win.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 03:04 PM   #5450
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Funny thing you compare religion to heroine
the only difference is that you stay human by using heroine but believing
makes a parrot out of you. ( sorry for offtopic )
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Old September 7th, 2010, 03:11 PM   #5451
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Can someone remind me what this thread was about in the first place?
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:49 PM   #5452
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Can someone remind me what this thread was about in the first place?
It is impossible to talk about Abraj Al-Bait and Mecca without religion.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #5453
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It is impossible to talk about Abraj Al-Bait and Mecca without bashing religion.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #5454
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watch Live from Makkah the final verses of the Quran now

http://live.gph.gov.sa/index.cfm

3 million people are int he mosque now
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:35 PM   #5455
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I'm sorry, but this is one fugly ostentatious piece of crap in a terrible location. I'm not a Muslim, but even I'm offended by the way it towers over Islam's most 'Holy' site...it's like building Las Vegas next to the Vatican city or six flags next to the wailing wall or putting a bouncy castle at the entrance of the Golden temple...it is sooooo tacky.

I look at those pictures of those hundreds of thousands of men doing their hajj thing, and that is an awesome spectacle...if a little odd, but it looks just amazing with the low rise surroundings, and the act of pilgrimage is the focus of the eye...but with that monstrous mating of the empire state building and Big Ben next door the whole thing will now look like a Monty Python sketch!
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #5456
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Man, I ******* love discussing Abraj Al-Bait.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #5457
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I'm sorry, but this is one fugly ostentatious piece of crap in a terrible location. I'm not a Muslim, but even I'm offended by the way it towers over Islam's most 'Holy' site...it's like building Las Vegas next to the Vatican city or six flags next to the wailing wall or putting a bouncy castle at the entrance of the Golden temple...it is sooooo tacky.
Viva Hajjvegas?

I have to say I'm not a huge fan either. It's undeniably a very imposing building, but architecturally it has an undeniable air of large Las Vegas hotel about it. The jarring, strangely unsympathetic way the clock is lit just totally confirms this impression. I'm not in the slightest bit religious but if I were I'm not sure how I'd feel about something like this being constructed at a sight of pilgrimage.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #5458
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i think from now on, anyone that goes off subject ,which is contructon of abraj al bait should be brigged or banned for couple for weeks. im sick to death of opening this thread,instead of an exciting new photo of the hotel,i get to read a stupid idiots useless point of view about religion? tdont go in this thread if you have problems with religion. plenty of other forums to go on and rant about crap.

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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:33 AM   #5459
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Is Mecca an expensive city to live/work in?
Just wondering if the Abraj Al Bait is a monument for the pilgrimmage/Holiness of the city as much as it is a reflection of the economic reality of Mecca.
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Is Mecca an expensive city to live/work in?
Just wondering if the Abraj Al Bait is a monument for the pilgrimmage/Holiness of the city as much as it is a reflection of the economic reality of Mecca.
This tower is simply a solution to a problem...
More and more pilgrims attend Hajj and Umerah every year, just look at the pictures you see of the tarawee prayers this Ramadan, there are almost as many people there as in a Hajj.
Mecca was rapidly running out of hotel rooms, and accomodation that was modern and safe, something the modern hajji's require.
The city is surrounded by mountains so it can not expand outward, and if it were to build hotels too far from the Haraam, no one would stay there during Hajj, as it would take hours to get to the Haraam through the masses o pilgrims.
They only way to address this accomodation problem is for Mecca to build up, and that's what they are doing.
It has nothing to do with power or symbolism, it's just pure logistic.

My father in law will be staying in this tower durring Hajj this year, he was not even aware of it's size,or prominnce, just that it's the closest to the Harram
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