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Old October 12th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #5921
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again, we are talking about muslims's and makkah and not occupied palestine nor Rome.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 10:29 PM   #5922
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So.... so Israel should demolish the entire historical center of Jerusalem. Rome too.
never mind
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:17 PM   #5923
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Ok off topic convos elsewhere please, and Mecca is hardly a city but just a pilgrimage. A fair comparison would be comparing Mecca to Lourdes not Jerusalem nor Rome.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:22 PM   #5924
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Ok off topic convos elsewhere please, and Mecca is hardly a city but just a pilgrimage. A fair comparison would be comparing Mecca to Lourdes not Jerusalem nor Rome.
what makes you think it is not a city ?
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #5925
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no such thing as a "kaaba mosque"

u should read into its history because the structure around the kaaba was built, expanded and rebuilt again more than once
I think hes referring to the othmanic nave (the part roofed with small domes directly surrounding the ka'ba)
There is currently a controversy whether it should be preserved or demolished in order to widen the mataf.

I personally think it should have been demolished long ago.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:45 PM   #5926
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Ok off topic convos elsewhere please, and Mecca is hardly a city but just a pilgrimage. A fair comparison would be comparing Mecca to Lourdes not Jerusalem nor Rome.
???????
Population:
Mecca: City: 1.700.000 Metro: 2.500.000
Jerusalem: City: 763.000 Metro: 1.029.000
Rome: 2.700.000
Lourdes: 15.254

Mecca = Lourdes????
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Old October 12th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #5927
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what makes you think it is not a city ?
You said it yourself, people come for the pilgrimage, even if there were no building left around it. I guess that's what makes Mecca important doesn't it... the rest, doesn't really matter.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:01 AM   #5928
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???????
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Mecca: City: 1.700.000 Metro: 2.500.000
Jerusalem: City: 763.000 Metro: 1.029.000
Rome: 2.700.000
Lourdes: 15.254

Mecca = Lourdes????
Of course, because you were comparing the populations and not the historical or spiritual meaning of the place.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #5929
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Of course, because you were comparing the populations and not the historical or spiritual meaning of the place.
as i remember, u said "Mecca is hardly a city", unlike Makkah, i'v never heard of "Lourdes"
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #5930
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Because you're not interested in it, I guess. It's a several million pilgrims town, small place, no activity beyond pilgrimage. Interestingly enough it has a castle too adding to the sanctuary, quite similar to Mecca from this perspective.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #5931
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You said it yourself, people come for the pilgrimage, even if there were no building left around it. I guess that's what makes Mecca important doesn't it... the rest, doesn't really matter.
but people do live, work and have families there, the city has documented history which goes beyond buildings
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:15 AM   #5932
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but people do live, work and have families there, the city has documented history which goes beyond buildings
There also are people living in other places and every town or city has its history.

The comparison was just that people that go to Mecca only want to see the Kaaba and aren't exactly interested in other features. The comparison between Mecca and Jerusalem or Rome just isn't serious, with Paris even less. I'm sure we agree here actually.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #5933
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There also are people living in other places and every town or city has its history.

The comparison was just that people that go to Mecca only want to see the Kaaba and aren't exactly interested in other features. The comparison between Mecca and Jerusalem or Rome just isn't serious, with Paris even less. I'm sure we agree here actually.
so now you agree Makkah is a city
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #5934
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so now you agree Makkah is a city
The comment "hardly a city" was metaphorical, particularly when compared to an Alpha class city (Paris) or also a Beta one (Rome).
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #5935
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So France should demolish the entire historical center of Paris and replace it with commieblocks.
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So.... so Israel should demolish the entire historical center of Jerusalem. Rome too.
so . lets see some suggestion ,,
we keep the old buildings , we keep the small streets , we keep the mountains with the castles on top of them and we don't expand the mosque ,, so how could we accommodate the millions coming even with the very strict quota and ensure there safety while practising there Haj ,,
or should we just stop people from coming??
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #5936
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:52 AM   #5937
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so . lets see some suggestion ,,
we keep the old buildings , we keep the small streets , we keep the mountains with the castles on top of them and we don't expand the mosque ,, so how could we accommodate the millions coming even with the very strict quota and ensure there safety while practising there Haj ,,
or should we just stop people from coming??
Mecca is filled with boring buildings- couldn't they demolish them? Nothing would have happened if that building had been constructed 500 meters farther from the mosque.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:33 AM   #5938
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Mecca is filled with boring buildings- couldn't they demolish them? Nothing would have happened if that building had been constructed 500 meters farther from the mosque.
more than 1000 "boring" buildings were demolished around the mosque 2 years ago, check the new photos in google earth
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:34 AM   #5939
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Old October 13th, 2010, 04:01 AM   #5940
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A recent plan to help you: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=5784

I would like to post you a smaller render of this one, don't find.


In this older plan, the 2 towers on the side have different name. But it give indication.
Sarah tower have change to Maqam tower
Maqam tower have change to Qibla tower

Thank you! This is the exact information I need.

However, there is a discrepancy between the site plan you posted (with the revisions to the names you gave) and the diagram by Culwulla.

On the site plan you posted, the Qibla (Al Maqam) and Zamzam towers are on the same side as the Safa tower. But on Culwulla's diagram the third tower is Marwa (not Safa).

Conversely, for the towers on the other side, the site plan you posted has the Maqam (Sarah) and Hajer towers are on the same side as the Marwa tower. But on Culwulla's diagram the third tower is Safa (not Marwa).

Can you clairify this situation?
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