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Old April 20th, 2006, 05:39 AM   #61
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First of all whats the source for that article?

Secondly yes it is sad i guess that some of the sites had to be destroyed but what people outside of he religion do not understand is that in Islam progess is crucial. All progress is acceptable as long as it does not hinder peoples belief in god.

From an Islamic perspective, people like the prophets mom are just regular people. Infact the prophet himself is seen as just a regular person (or atleast supposed to be seen). And people have built over many billions of peoples graves. Why should this be any different when through Islams eyes all humans are equal.

And also those sites have nothing to do with Islam. The sunni sect of Islam (the one that makes up more than 90% of the muslim population) do not believe in shrines commemorating anthing besides god. Thus in sunni eyes, every building except for mosques and the kabbah itself is just another building and if it stands in the way of progress, its ok to demolish it.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 05:44 AM   #62
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Actually Zaki I think preservation of some sites that can be deemed as cultural is not a bad idea, but as you state it is not against the religion of Islam to demolish them at the same token.

But you have to understand that when King Fahd's burial site was left unmarked as a commoner to many people around the world it boggled the mind. Islamic ideals and principles of equality are not easily understood to people outside the religion.

People the prophet knew and his family are considered "Model Muslims", like the Sahaba's they are good to model yourself after due to their knowledge and proximity to the prophet.

However by no means are they divine, It is only the prophets themselves that are to have their knowledge preserved as they were the messengers.

That's the understanding behind all this construction boom , I dont know if people get it? but if you don't understand what's being said its no big deal.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:04 AM   #63
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Islam = equality - hardly!

As a gay man i find the intolerance of religions intolerable!
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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:21 AM   #64
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those projects are incredible!!!, i like how they blend a little with the native architecture
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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:23 AM   #65
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oh god!!! why does every fuc*** thread that has either the word arab or muslim in it has to become a religious argument???
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Old April 20th, 2006, 09:32 AM   #66
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bcz we have too much oil in our backyards and we ride our camels too fast.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 09:58 AM   #67
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Islam = equality - hardly!

As a gay man i find the intolerance of religions intolerable!
Thank you for your comment Mr. Gay Man, but now back to the topic.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #68
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I can't believe Suadies are building such an ugly tower beside Holy Kabaa. How can they do this without asking us? Mecca doesn't belong to Suadies, Mecca belongs to whole Muslims as a gift from Allah.

I can't believe they do this...
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Old April 20th, 2006, 11:57 AM   #69
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Amazing projects
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Old April 20th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #70
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This is awesome project indeed.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 08:14 PM   #71
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bcz we have too much oil in our backyards and we ride our camels too fast.


dont forget the rolls royce covered in gold
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Old April 20th, 2006, 08:30 PM   #72
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I can't believe Suadies are building such an ugly tower beside Holy Kabaa. How can they do this without asking us? Mecca doesn't belong to Suadies, Mecca belongs to whole Muslims as a gift from Allah.

I can't believe they do this...
oh sorry about that, it turns out that we don't have the phone numbers of all the 1 billion muslims in the world. We really need to update our phone book



Now let us stick to the topic. Let us have at least one page with no politics or religion discussion!
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Old April 20th, 2006, 11:29 PM   #73
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those projects are incredible!!!, i like how they blend a little with the native architecture
They blend in more than "a little with the native architecture"?? I would say a lot, considering the Islamic architectural features.

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Thank you for your comment Mr. Gay Man, but now back to the topic.
That was a bit of a snide comment re "Thank you for your comment Mr. Gay Man" Oh well, whatever

Anyway. looking forward to more updated construction pics of the Abraj Al-Bait project
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Old April 20th, 2006, 11:45 PM   #74
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I can't believe Suadies are building such an ugly tower beside Holy Kabaa. How can they do this without asking us? Mecca doesn't belong to Suadies, Mecca belongs to whole Muslims as a gift from Allah.

I can't believe they do this...

not only that..the b*st**ds are destroying all the holy landmarks..they're plannin to take down the birthplace (house) of our Holy Prophet and several others
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Old April 21st, 2006, 01:01 AM   #75
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not only that..the b*st**ds are destroying all the holy landmarks..they're plannin to take down the birthplace (house) of our Holy Prophet and several others

Who gives a shit? Religion is a ****ed up institution anyway.

From what I'm seeing here, a citly like Mecca is way overdue for some new buildings and renovations. If no one ever build anything new you'd probably have the "holy" tent Mohammed stayed in and nothing else.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 01:19 AM   #76
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^Who are you to judge the beliefs of others? I highly doubt any more than a fraction of the people who vist Mecca (which are there because of their Muslim faith in the first place) are any more "****ed up" than you are. Most probably don't have the anger issues either.

Grow up and get some understanding. At least recognize the difference between a bad religion and those who do bad things in the name of said religion.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 01:42 AM   #77
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Hey it's just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 01:48 AM   #78
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If no one ever build anything new you'd probably have the "holy" tent Mohammed stayed in and nothing else.
Maybe that's what's needed in the world. I would assume that the point of making a pilgrimage was mainly spiritual, not to be pampered in a 5 Star Hotel and Spa and pretend like you're gaining enlightenment.

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Old April 21st, 2006, 02:05 AM   #79
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Hey it's just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.
I'm sure many other bigots justify themselves that way too.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 02:21 AM   #80
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Impresive, skyscrapers are so trendy these days can see Hotels, shopping malls, money makers everywhere. What a wonderfull global village :P Welcome to the club Mecca.
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