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Old July 13th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #8681
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now why are you guys talking about if it's beautiful or not?
1. beautiful towers are for tourism ..
2. this tower wasn't made for tourism at all !!
3. this tower is being built just to help muslims to do Hajj and Omrah ,also to manage time at this holly place by it's large clock ..
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Old July 13th, 2011, 03:39 PM   #8682
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If it was just about housing people then a big glass or concrete box would have been just perfect, even the construction time would have been much shorter. Its not about functionality. Its a statement, a vanity project and incredibly ugly one. If you want to know what a beautiful building looks like then look no further than Shanghai Tower or London Bridge Tower.

And Mark does have a point, the big showcase cities in the Middle East are being built with little or no thought, they are just big vanity projects (ie this building) and if it carries on like this those cities are bound to sink into the sands. Perhaps you should learn from the Chinese how to build a sustainable and good looking environment?
Beauty is relative and is in the eye of the beholder. And Arabia has been there for ages (with and without oil) and is there to stay. Kthnxbai.

I can't even believe I'm replying to (thus dignifying) such posts.........
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Old July 13th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #8683
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I though 'we' were on the same page
I don't think this is a "we vs. them" situation. People here are exchanging opinions (even though some do it in an extremely vulgar manner).
And I didn't agree with many points of your post, that's why I questioned the 'we' implied..
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Old July 13th, 2011, 03:48 PM   #8684
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Yeah, yeah... Oil countries and their governments are definitely smart Motor of economic growth is oil and you will barely find a refinery in Middle East - JD Rockefeller knew that you will earn most money from refining and distribution and his royal highness king Abdullah doesn´t know that , selling ur oil for US dollar only is definitely smart too

You have to pray that you will sell all your petroleum before nuclear fussion is fully operationable


And that guy who said this tower isn´t for tourism? Never heard a anything stupid here xD I thought this is a hotel mainly for the pilgrims (hajj, ramadan) which is in fact tourism. So it doesn´t matter that something looks really shitty, because it´s not for tourism? Have you ever heard about office building or residential building? For example the Pentominium, it is a residential tower so it can be designed with a shape of Stalinist Moscow Hotel?

If that tower got a glass cladding I think it would be much cheaper than this.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 03:56 PM   #8685
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Old July 13th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #8686
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mark doesn't know that saudi had just opened the largest women only university in the world, so huge it has its own system of trains.... +40 other universities under construction, in saudi gov universities and schools are free, they even give you a salary of you study in a gov university. + over 100,000 students are studying abroad on scholarships the gov pays everything + they give them huge salaries (i'm one of them)

and no it was designed by a number of ppl, all muslims, the company which made the clock is a german man who became muslim years ago and dedicated his company to build the moving domes and the electric umbrellas at the prophet's mosque

didn't i just post this comment above you:



saudi is not america, we have lots of money to waste, we are not bankrupt. infact i think that saudi is not wasting enough money. i forgot to mention that saudi donates more money than any other country in the world (wiki)

I personally aknowledge that all of the details given above are 100% true.
Thats why I said 'stereotypes'
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Old July 13th, 2011, 04:47 PM   #8687
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"mark doesn't know that saudi had just opened the largest women only university in the world, so huge it has its own system of trains.... +40 "

I suppose they need trains to get around in such a large institution..especially as they are not allowed to drive their own cars in that backward, repressed society.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #8688
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saudi is not america, we have lots of money to waste, we are not bankrupt. infact i think that saudi is not wasting enough money. i forgot to mention that saudi donates more money than any other country in the world (wiki)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...able_countries

In terms of humanitarian aid through non-development assistance programs then yes, especially factoring in how much is donated to religious organizations. But in terms of comprehensive giving (humanitarian + development assistance), Saudi Arabia didn't even make the top 23 listed in Wiki. By a large amount.

I say this not to knock Saudi Arabia, but to defend the USA in this regard.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #8689
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I understand what you're saying, but you should understand that this tower is not built for people to stand beneath it and admire/criticize its 'beuty'. Its built for maximum practicality during the peak seasons of the city (ramadhan and hajj).
I'm afraid I'll have to call you out on this one. The detailing and ornamentation, the lavishness of the form and the very idea of having multiple structures framing the primary tower all suggest a high inclination of focus on aesthetics. (As it should be.) Practical would have been a huge block or a series of same shaped, bland buildings to maximize construction efficiency. Fortunately the architects and developer recognized the site demanded better.

Also, the fact that nearly a 1/4 of the primary tower is ornamentation (clock & spire) indicates they where indeed recognizing the visual impact of the structure. Again, as they should have.

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2. this tower wasn't made for tourism at all
See my thoughts above.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:13 PM   #8690
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:20 PM   #8691
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Its a statement, a vanity project and incredibly ugly one. If you want to know what a beautiful building looks like then look no further than Shanghai Tower or London Bridge Tower.
In asserting that such creations (and by extension all mega skyscrapers) are vanity projects, then we're affirming that the influence of the developer and the cultural setting are crucial. Thus, what constitutes beauty in this regard is purely subjective. Many of my local peers consider the towers you're offering a prettier alternatives to be discernably bland and/or weak.

Asserting one's taste upon others is as fruitless as asserting one's faith on another, and neither action builds affinity.

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Perhaps you should learn from the Chinese how to build a sustainable and good looking environment?
The Chinese have their vanity projects as well, and volumes of disastrous urban conditions due to their population densities. No country or culture has yet monopolozed good or bad urban form. Part and parcel of being human and all that.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:26 PM   #8692
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C'mon, I've been among the most civil visitors to this forum!

I'm not denying it's functionality, merely disagreeing with you about the pretext of the visual form. How many pictures have we seen from the outside? How many pictures of the tower have been taken from inside of, or immediately adjacent to, the mosque? Clearly the tower was meant to be seen, and to become an iconic part of Mecca. (hence the clock) They want visitors and pilgrims to remember these images as vividly as any other part of the experience, and in my mind rightly so. It's adding to the urban landscape and identity of the city. Thus, I simply can't agree that the designers were not taking the visual appeal of the tower into account. That's all.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:46 PM   #8693
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C'mon, I've been among the most civil visitors to this forum!
I was referring to posts above yours, hence the double
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Old July 13th, 2011, 06:05 PM   #8694
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I was referring to posts above yours, hence the double
Ah. That's a facet of graphics-use I've not heard of before.

Well, I do try to learn something new everyday.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:16 PM   #8695
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...able_countries

In terms of humanitarian aid through non-development assistance programs then yes, especially factoring in how much is donated to religious organizations. But in terms of comprehensive giving (humanitarian + development assistance), Saudi Arabia didn't even make the top 23 listed in Wiki. By a large amount.

I say this not to knock Saudi Arabia, but to defend the USA in this regard.
are you stupid ? i'm still right
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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:17 PM   #8696
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"mark doesn't know that saudi had just opened the largest women only university in the world, so huge it has its own system of trains.... +40 "

I suppose they need trains to get around in such a large institution..especially as they are not allowed to drive their own cars in that backward, repressed society.
LOL have you ever drove in saudi ? you'll pee your pants if u try.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:33 PM   #8697
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hahaha,

Saudi's drive 180km/h inside cities, trust me.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #8698
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ok, thats enough off topic, i almost forgot where we are. lol
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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #8699
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hahaha,

Saudi's drive 180km/h inside cities, trust me.
180??? thats like 10 kmh for a saudi.
Saudis drive a cressida 80 faster than bugatti veyron :P
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Old July 13th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #8700
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would you muslim guys just shut up here !
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