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Old October 2nd, 2007, 12:52 AM   #901
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I am not talking about the looking, I am talking about intention of many people here who want to prove one thing "Makkah clock is just a copy of big ben".

I disagree with this statement 100% since the clock is just a clock and It can not be different at all since all clocks look like each other.

Makkah clock is not a copy paste of big ben clock (This is the conclusion which I wanna say).
OK, now i understand what you meant.
I was just comparing them about their looking

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Now that Abraj Albait is taller than ever, I think Jabal Omar project should also follow and have one or two supertalls.
It will have 2 200m skyscraper connected on the top floors and a lot of other towers nearly 100m high.
At least this was the last project proposed, but I don't know if they accepted it or if it will change again
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 12:54 AM   #902
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In my opinion, in not too distant future the grand Mosque will be surrounded by multiples of 500m+ and numerous 200m+ skyscrapers and the grand Mosque itself shall be vertically expanded (to 15-storey perhaps).

The number of annual haj pilgrims would have more than quadrupled to exceed 10 million by then.

For visitors to Mecca, those skyscrapers are nothing more than what they are...tall buildings. The Kaaba will remain as the centre of attraction.
It seems like more and more people are able to afford flying these days. Does the city of Mecca have an airport? I don't see one for flight simulator 2004.
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 01:11 AM   #903
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It seems like more and more people are able to afford flying these days. Does the city of Mecca have an airport? I don't see one for flight simulator 2004.
I think the airport is in Jeddah, nearly 60Km away as far as i remember
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 01:38 AM   #904
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It is wrong urban planning what Saudi-Arabia is doing and disrespectful against Kaaba.No building in such a great height should be done in direct of the Kaaba.It is like the Building is looking down to Kaaba.Also people will sleeping in this hotel.It means the people are in higher position than the kaaba.Also it is forbidden that the Quran book is under the girdle.It must stay in a higher position.If they would done Abraj Al-Bait only 1000meters far
away from Kaaba it would be no problem.But not in direct of Kaaba.
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 02:24 AM   #905
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It is wrong urban planning what Saudi-Arabia is doing and disrespectful against Kaaba.No building in such a great height should be done in direct of the Kaaba.It is like the Building is looking down to Kaaba.Also people will sleeping in this hotel.It means the people are in higher position than the kaaba.Also it is forbidden that the Quran book is under the girdle.It must stay in a higher position.If they would done Abraj Al-Bait only 1000meters far
away from Kaaba it would be no problem.But not in direct of Kaaba.
okay, you are either kidding or stupid...
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 02:34 AM   #906
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I'm with Heavenly Sword on this one.

The ABraj Al-Bait is a flashy and bold architectural expression. It is a materialistic distraction in a place of spiritual importance.

How could your prayers reach the Heavens when that building is blocking half the sky?

When you search the Heavens looking for meaning, you do not want to be reminded that checkout is at 11 tomorrow morning.

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Old October 2nd, 2007, 02:03 PM   #907
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IMo the main aim is was to create a big shadow for the pilgrims around the Kabaa
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 02:15 PM   #908
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okay, you are either kidding or stupid...
You can´t argument.Only can say stupid.What is about the shadow of the building.It will completly cover the Kabaa.The pilgrims won´t see the sun.












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Old October 2nd, 2007, 02:26 PM   #909
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How could your prayers reach the Heavens when that building is blocking half the sky?
if someone asked God something,God will hear it even if we're doing " scopa diving"....

guys,,this things are like landmark for the city of Makkah,and if you dont know guys there is people living in Makkah and I think they want there city to have many landmarks and unique stuff and to be one of the best cities in the world."I think they have the right to think about that like everyone else"
so what's wrong if they had the largest clock in the world?or a high scrapers?
I think they have the right to do what ever will satisfy them "unless it's against the Islamic rules"
and as I know there is nothing in Islam telling not to build scrapers around the holy mosque.
and for the people who tried to involve the religious side in Makkah's developments project...I dont think you are butter than the holy mosque IMAMs..I think if there is something wrong with it (from the religious perception) or even if they didn't like the project location (as a responsible persons)..they will stop it..
so don't relay on that weak point to prove your point of view,,
btw, I think everyone can see this clock from a distance of 40 km!!!

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People aren't against the tower
Its just about his location.

I would have prefer the mosque as a landmark with his high minarets

One day mankind will be able to move towers and i am sure one of the first ones will be this one
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What is about the shadow of the building.It will completly cover the Kabaa.The pilgrims won´t see the sun.
Seems you did not visit kaaba recently and that is why you are talking about shadow covering the kaaba completely!! The holy mosque's area is bigger than Abraj Al-bait's area many times and you do not feel at all that such project covering the kaaba.

Abraj Al-bait is higher than the holy mosque but as I said above, its square area is less than the holy mosque.

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How could your prayers reach the Heavens when that building is blocking half the sky?
I don't want to make fun of your comment. I respect your point of view but as all know and in all religions, nothing can block your prayer except your sins not huge building or bridge. It is not a mobile network
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 03:22 PM   #912
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The holy mosque's area is bigger than Abraj Al-bait's area many times and you do not feel at all that such project covering the kaaba.
its looks about the same size mate.



at this rate, that day will come when people go to Mecca for a holiday to look at the skyscrapers.
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 03:41 PM   #913
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Area of Abraj Al-Bait = 190,000 square meter

Area of the holy mosque = 366,168 square meter

It is double without the new extention of the holy mosque which is going to add approximatly 160,000 square meter plus the new extention of Safa and marwa which is already under construction now and called "King Abdullah project for extension of the Masa'a".

Talking in numbers makes sense not only looks!! isn't it?
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Does Saudi-Arabia have a Chamber of Architects?
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 06:25 PM   #916
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Does Saudi-Arabia have a Chamber of Architects?
judging by this structure clearly not!
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I asked because our Chamber of Architects in Istanbul is against towers at the bosphorus or near the histirical peninsula (Blue Mosque, Haghia Sophia etc.)
So they do not give the permission or went to court.
Actually you need also the permission of the monument committee.
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Whoever deceided to make this ugly looking creature towering so high obvoiusly didnt think that is why so many dont like the thing

in that part of the world history means nothing they build for the sake of building, my problem isnt so much with the buildings its the location that is the issue
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 06:54 PM   #919
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You can´t argument.Only can say stupid.What is about the shadow of the building.It will completly cover the Kabaa.The pilgrims won´t see the sun.
and whats so wrong in shadowing the Kabaa?
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Area of Abraj Al-Bait = 190,000 square meter

Area of the holy mosque = 366,168 square meter

It is double without the new extention of the holy mosque which is going to add approximatly 160,000 square meter plus the new extention of Safa and marwa which is already under construction now and called "King Abdullah project for extension of the Masa'a".

Talking in numbers makes sense not only looks!! isn't it?
When talking about shadow implications, footprint is not the main factor. The main factor is vertical area. The "Bin Laden Monstrosity" (IE the Abraj Al-Bait) will have massive shadowing, given its huge and out of proportion massing. What a shame.
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