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Old September 28th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #9881
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #9882
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IT'S STILL THERE! :O

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Old September 30th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #9883
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There's a thought provoking article here. Not everyone is happy about these developments it seems.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2360114.html
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Old September 30th, 2011, 03:22 PM   #9884
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All I needed was to read a paragraph to guess what was in the rest of it. It sounds EXACTLY the same article as that man's article in new york times (or whatever times) who called clock tower a kitsch. All I have to say is someone sitting outside Makkah and those who haven't ever visited Makkah cannot claim to say what the locals "are saying behind closed doors". I CLAIM THAT THERE IS NO ONE, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE INSIDE THE CITY, who hates this tower or any other "rich" construction going on in Makkah which in one way or another is being done FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of serving the piligrims. You can't say "ooh, clock tower is too expensive for piligrims", like I said there are other ways in which it serves the piligrims or to be more clear, pays/raises money to serve the piligrim. It may look like vegas to you, but it isn't.
Bottomline: If you hate it, just say you hate it like everyone else, DON'T BRING US LOCALS INTO IT, AND DON'T CROSS THE LINE OF TRUTH OF HONESTY TO EXPRESS YOUR HATRED TOWARDS ANY GOVERNMENT-FUNDED CONSTRUCTION GOING ON IN MAKKAH.
P. S.: @parsonsnose: I wasn't talking to you, I was answering the articel, so don't mind.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 03:24 PM   #9885
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As for everyone else, the majority of content in that article are LIES
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Old September 30th, 2011, 03:26 PM   #9886
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Also, the ottoman columns are not going anywhere and the people whose houses were removed to make way for Haram expansion have been PAID HEAVILY, VERY HEAVILY!
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Old September 30th, 2011, 03:30 PM   #9887
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Oh and to cheer everyone up, PREPARE FOR A SURPRISE
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Old September 30th, 2011, 04:30 PM   #9888
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I don't like this article, just critics and complaining...no solutions for Mecca and the pilgrims. Worst, now with this aticle some islamophobes on web attack Saudi and spread big lies about islam and Mecca.

Those historians they went to the medias to defend their cause (keep old historical sites) but now it's getting worst...
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Old September 30th, 2011, 04:33 PM   #9889
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''Mecca expansion programme is a duty''

says king of Saudi Arabia


The king of Saudi Arabia will proceed with the £13bn expansion project in Mecca.

Wednesday 28 September 2011

The king of Saudi Arabia has said it is his religious duty to expend "whatever wealth and effort" were necessary to improve facilities for Muslims going on the Islamic pilgrimage, despite growing concerns about the scale of development in Mecca.

King Abdullah, who also bears the title of custodian of the two holy mosques, told the Majlis Al-Shura, or cabinet session, at the Al-Yamamah Palace in Riyadh this week that Allah had blessed Saudi Arabia with the holy cities of Mecca and Medina and that this generosity was "a duty, prestige, an honour and a prerequisite this country and its leadership" should abide by.

Some organisations, such as the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, have repeatedly expressed alarm over the destruction of historic sites to make way for skyscraper hotels and shopping malls.

Although Saudi authorities have never directly addressed these concerns, the king's comments make it clear that the ambitious $21bn (£13bn) expansion programme – the largest in Mecca's history – will proceed regardless.

He said: "We are proceeding on the kingdom's religious responsibility; subsequently, we have laid down the foundation stone for expanding the Grand Mosque [and] inaugurated a number of improvement projects in the Two Holy Mosques. That also is only a duty we owe to Allah."

Last month the king attended a stone-laying ceremony for the construction project, which covers 400,000 square metres and will accommodate an additional 1.2 million people.

Pilgrims who fail to secure a spot in the Grand Mosque or in its immediate courtyard worship in the streets and tunnels leading up to it, especially on a Friday when pilgrims will arrive in the early hours to ensure a place for the afternoon prayer.

Currently the maximum numbers performing the Hajj hover around the 4 million mark, with millions more visiting Mecca throughout the year.

The restricted capacity of Mecca means that the majority of the world's Muslims will never be able to perform the Hajj.

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Old September 30th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #9890
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The king is right. But we don't need to say anything, anyone with a sound mind, ability to think and ability to research can find out whats right and whats wrong.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 05:05 PM   #9891
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And here is my question for the critics: What use are those historical site? Just go and see? Wouldn't it be better to make a better use of that space. We have everything related to Makkah and Islam's history in books and meuseums. Especially whats your problem if they remove the prophet's house to expand the Haram (which is HIGHLY inlikely)? Wouldn't it be better? Our priority is not to sit with a leg above the other, cherish the past and do nothing for the future, our priority is to SERVE.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 05:14 PM   #9892
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this area is so much transforming these years, so cool
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Old September 30th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #9893
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Also, the ottoman columns are not going anywhere and the people whose houses were removed to make way for Haram expansion have been PAID HEAVILY, VERY HEAVILY!
just to correct something here...the old structure was built during the Abbasid Era,the Ottomans just did a maintenance for the structure and added the white domes
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Old September 30th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #9894
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Ok so now we should call them the abbasi columns
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Old September 30th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #9895
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i say let go those columns too, what the hell!!
just rearrange them in a museum for the crying "historians"
expanding the mataf is more important than some stupid columns.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #9896
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agreed. But the designing is not our job, if bin laden says they're not removing the columns, we can't do anything about it. I believe there are more people than just crying historians against the demolition of the columns.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #9897
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Article from the London Independent you might be interested in, relating to this development and more around the area:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2360114.html

Mecca for the rich: Islam's holiest site 'turning into Vegas'

Historic and culturally important landmarks are being destroyed to make way for luxury hotels and malls, reports Jerome Taylor

Saturday, 24 September 2011

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A £690m expansion of the Grand Mosque in Mecca has begun to accommodate an extra 1.2 million pilgrims a year

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A £690m expansion of the Grand Mosque in Mecca has begun to accommodate an extra 1.2 million pilgrims a year

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Behind closed doors – in places where the religious police cannot listen in – residents of Mecca are beginning to refer to their city as Las Vegas, and the moniker is not a compliment.

Click HERE to download graphic: Mecca For The Rich (430.39kB)

Over the past 10 years the holiest site in Islam has undergone a huge transformation, one that has divided opinion among Muslims all over the world.

Once a dusty desert town struggling to cope with the ever-increasing number of pilgrims arriving for the annual Hajj, the city now soars above its surroundings with a glittering array of skyscrapers, shopping malls and luxury hotels.

To the al-Saud monarchy, Mecca is their vision of the future – a steel and concrete metropolis built on the proceeds of enormous oil wealth that showcases their national pride.

Yet growing numbers of citizens, particularly those living in the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina, have looked on aghast as the nation's archaeological heritage is trampled under a construction mania backed by hardline clerics who preach against the preservation of their own heritage. Mecca, once a place where the Prophet Mohamed insisted all Muslims would be equal, has become a playground for the rich, critics say, where naked capitalism has usurped spirituality as the city's raison d'être.

Few are willing to discuss their fears openly because of the risks associated with criticising official policy in the authoritarian kingdom. And, with the exceptions of Turkey and Iran, fellow Muslim nations have largely held their tongues for fear of of a diplomatic fallout and restrictions on their citizens' pilgrimage visas. Western archaeologists are silent out of fear that the few sites they are allowed access to will be closed to them.

But a number of prominent Saudi archaeologists and historians are speaking up in the belief that the opportunity to save Saudi Arabia's remaining historical sites is closing fast.

"No one has the balls to stand up and condemn this cultural vandalism," says Dr Irfan al-Alawi who, as executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, has fought in vain to protect his country's historical sites. "We have already lost 400-500 sites. I just hope it's not too late to turn things around."

Sami Angawi, a renowned Saudi expert on the region's Islamic architecture, is equally concerned. "This is an absolute contradiction to the nature of Mecca and the sacredness of the house of God," he told the Reuters news agency earlier this year. "Both [Mecca and Medina] are historically almost finished. You do not find anything except skyscrapers."

Dr Alawi's most pressing concern is the planned £690m expansion of the Grand Mosque, the most sacred site in Islam which contains the Kaaba – the black stone cube built by Ibrahim (Abraham) that Muslims face when they pray.

Construction officially began earlier this month with the country's Justice Minister, Mohammed al-Eissa, exclaiming that the project would respect "the sacredness and glory of the location, which calls for the highest care and attention of the servants or Islam and Muslims".

The 400,000 square metre development is being built to accommodate an extra 1.2 million pilgrims each year and will turn the Grand Mosque into the largest religious structure in the world. But the Islamic Heritage Foundation has compiled a list of key historical sites that they believe are now at risk from the ongoing development of Mecca, including the old Ottoman and Abbasi sections of the Grand Mosque, the house where the Prophet Mohamed was born and the house where his paternal uncle Hamza grew up.

There is little argument that Mecca and Medina desperately need infrastructure development. Twelve million pilgrims visit the cities every year with the numbers expected to increase to 17 million by 2025.

But critics fear that the desire to expand the pilgrimage sites has allowed the authorities to ride roughshod over the area's cultural heritage. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of Mecca's millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades alone.

The destruction has been aided by Wahabism, the austere interpretation of Islam that has served as the kingdom's official religion ever since the al-Sauds rose to power across the Arabian Peninsula in the 19th century.

In the eyes of Wahabis, historical sites and shrines encourage "shirq" – the sin of idolatry or polytheism – and should be destroyed. When the al-Saud tribes swept through Mecca in the 1920s, the first thing they did was lay waste to cemeteries holding many of Islam's important figures. They have been destroying the country's heritage ever since. Of the three sites the Saudis have allowed the UN to designate World Heritage Sites, none are related to Islam.

Those circling the Kaaba only need to look skywards to see the latest example of the Saudi monarchy's insatiable appetite for architectural bling. At 1,972ft, the Royal Mecca Clock Tower, opened earlier this year, soars over the surrounding Grand Mosque, part of an enormous development of skyscrapers that will house five-star hotels for the minority of pilgrims rich enough to afford them.

To build the skyscraper city, the authorities dynamited an entire mountain and the Ottoman era Ajyad Fortress that lay on top of it. At the other end of the Grand Mosque complex, the house of the Prophet's first wife Khadijah has been turned into a toilet block. The fate of the house he was born in is uncertain. Also planned for demolition are the Grand Mosque's Ottoman columns which dare to contain the names of the Prophet's companions, something hardline Wahabis detest.

For ordinary Meccans living in the mainly Ottoman-era town houses that make up much of what remains of the old city, development often means the loss of their family home.

Non-Muslims cannot visit Mecca and Medina, but The Independent was able to interview a number of citizens who expressed discontent over the way their town was changing. One young woman whose father recently had his house bulldozed described how her family was still waiting for compensation. "There was very little warning; they just came and told him that the house had to be bulldozed," she said.

Another Meccan added: "If a prince of a member of the royal family wants to extend his palace he just does it. No one talks about it in public though. There's such a climate of fear."

Dr Alawi hopes the international community will finally begin to wake up to what is happening in the cradle of Islam. "We would never allow someone to destroy the Pyramids, so why are we letting Islam's history disappear?"

Under Threat

Bayt al-Mawlid

When the Wahabis took Mecca in the 1920s they destroyed the dome on top of the house where the Prophet Mohammed was born. It was thenused as a cattle market before being turned into a library after a campaign by Meccans. There are concerns that the expansion of the Grand Mosque will destroy it once more. The site has never been excavated by archaeologists.

Ottoman and Abasi columns of the Grand Mosque

Slated for demolition as part of the Grand Mosque expansion, these intricately carved columns date back to the 17th century and are the oldest surviving sections of Islam's holiest site. Much to the chagrin of Wahabis, they are inscribed with the names of the Prophet's companions. Ottomon Mecca is now rapidly disappearing

Al-Masjid al-Nawabi

For many years, hardline Wahabi clerics have had their sites set on the 15th century green dome that rests above the tomb holding the Prophet, Abu Bakr and Umar in Medina. The mosque is regarded as the second holiest site in Islam. Wahabis, however, believe marked graves are idolatrous. A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, stated that "the green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid".

Jabal al-Nour

A mountain outside Mecca where Mohammed received his first Koranic revelations. The Prophet used to spend long spells in a cave called Hira. The cave is particularly popular among South Asian pilgrims who have carved steps up to its entrance and adorned the walls with graffiti. Religious hardliners are keen to dissuade pilgrims from congregating there and have mooted the idea of removing the steps and even destroying the mountain altogether.
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NO NEED TO POST IT HERE, WE ALREADY READ IT!!!!
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Old September 30th, 2011, 07:55 PM   #9899
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Please DELETE THIS ARTICLE!!!

The author Jerome Taylor is just a religion report...never went to Mecca.

O! stop it!

No the Green Dome will not be demolish.

No the Jabal al-Nour will not be destroy...and they already annonce that they will do facilities to climb it!
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And here is my question for the critics: What use are those historical site? Just go and see? Wouldn't it be better to make a better use of that space. We have everything related to Makkah and Islam's history in books and meuseums. Especially whats your problem if they remove the prophet's house to expand the Haram (which is HIGHLY inlikely)? Wouldn't it be better? Our priority is not to sit with a leg above the other, cherish the past and do nothing for the future, our priority is to SERVE.
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