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Old October 6th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #10001
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again, that's irrelevant to the definition. besides, until a few years ago most European universities required their students to write their theses in Latin (and it's still a widely taught and spoken language). but then again, no one uses Latin for daily communication and it's not any living community's mother tongue, hence, its classification as a dead language.

Same applies to your beloved Fus'ha.

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Just because its abandoned in KSA doesn't mean its dead
Read my post again.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #10002
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And on that note, I'd like to clarify that I will no longer engage in this discussion as I'm not interested in repeating the same concept more than twice.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 11:14 PM   #10003
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Old October 6th, 2011, 11:34 PM   #10004
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nice pics
The mistake: "Malak" instead of "Malik" written on all four clocks.
your welcome ...I read the explanation so finaly there is no mistake
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Old October 6th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #10005
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those who took the photos are Muslism right? I heard only Muslims are allowed to enter Mecca.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 11:41 PM   #10006
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Old October 6th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #10007
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Great photos ! Im really impressed about the big scale of this tower, such a giant clock and beautiful details !!!
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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:00 AM   #10008
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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:14 AM   #10009
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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:15 AM   #10010
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Old October 7th, 2011, 07:16 AM   #10011
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There. I already said there has to be a calligraphic explanation for it.



A dead language is one that's not spoken natively by any living community. No one today has 7th century Arabic (or the reconstructed modern version of it) as their mother tongue so Fus'ha is indeed dead.

The examples you've given are irrelevant to the definition and similar examples could be given for numerous other languages that are considered dead as well (e.g., Latin, Sanskrit, and ancient Greek).
Al Fusha is not a distinct language its a form of arabic language (the formal, standard form). Spoken dialects are other forms of the same language. During the time of the prophet (sa) there were different forms of arabic as well with Qur'anic arabic being Quraish's dialect.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 07:32 AM   #10012
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And on that note, I'd like to clarify that I will no longer engage in this discussion as I'm not interested in repeating the same concept more than twice.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #10013
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That was directed at you more than anybody else because you kept repeating the same (refuted) examples over and over again.

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Al Fusha is not a distinct language its a form of arabic language (the formal, standard form). Spoken dialects are other forms of the same language. During the time of the prophet (sa) there were different forms of arabic as well with Qur'anic arabic being Quraish's dialect.
The differences separating MSA from the language(s) spoken on the street and used for everyday life are big enough for the so-called dialects to be considered independent languages. A fact many linguists have acknowledged and advocated as early as the 18th century.

There is more a lexical and grammatical difference between Gusmanji and Egyptian Arabic or Moroccan and Lebanese Arabic than there is between, say, Italian and Spanish or even Italian and French.

As for the Koran’s language, the differences existing at the time were stark enough for the Koran to be written in seven different dialects. As a descendant of Huthail, I certainly know that the language in which the Koran was written and is known for today is a lot different than the language of my ancestors.

Yet still, one can easily confirm that there is an even bigger gap between today’s Arabic dialects than there ever was between the dialects at the time of the Prophet.
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Old October 8th, 2011, 01:18 AM   #10014
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Easy, Chomsky ant weah ! .. let's keep on topic shall we ?
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He came to speak at my uni a couple of terms ago. I really admire the guy!
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Old October 8th, 2011, 04:59 AM   #10016
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Old October 8th, 2011, 05:19 AM   #10018
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Old October 8th, 2011, 09:45 AM   #10019
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Old October 8th, 2011, 07:38 PM   #10020
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