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Old June 17th, 2012, 01:37 AM   #11021
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may be this Ramadan it will be finished !!
The Hotel will be finished.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #11022
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The fact that many people argue about this building (when they do it in a respectful way) is the evidence that this is a controversial project.

Basic real fact is that Makkah needed much more room for pilgrims.
this could be achivied in many ways: building a huge complex, increasing the number of the minor scattered hotels, experimenting with the local families for bed and breakfast solutions (why not?), making a new center close to makkah with accomodation structures.

They went for a huge building right next to the Holy Mosque.

This choice is subject to criticism for many reasons.

First of all they didn't really care for the surroundings: think of the people living around, the actual smaller hotels, think of having a wall half kilometer high in front of you, not so nice, maybe your hotel had a beautyful view ond the Mosque and now you face floor n°10.

Second, this complex sadly has nothing to do with islamic architecture.
Think of the beauty, grace and lightness of the historic Mosquees, Madrasahas and so on, this one is a casual mix of proportions, styles, decorations.
As an architectural evolution: thumbs down.

Third, the hotel makes the Holy Mosque look like an accessory of it!
Yes, the real center now is the Abraj Al-Bait, everything around it is of secondary importance, shifting the main attraction on where people eat and sleep instead of where they pray.

In my opinion, given the necessity of increasing hotels, they could do it in many better ways.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #11023
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^ I agree with everything you've said.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 04:26 AM   #11024
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...this complex sadly has nothing to do with islamic architecture(...)

(...)the hotel makes the Holy Mosque look like an accessory of it!
Yes, the real center now is the Abraj Al-Bait, everything around it is of secondary importance, shifting the main attraction on where people eat and sleep instead of where they pray.
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Especially these arguments. 100% agree!
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Old June 18th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #11025
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This is one of the most elegant complexes I ever seen!
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Old June 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM   #11026
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Old June 18th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #11027
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The fact that many people argue about this building (when they do it in a respectful way) is the evidence that this is a controversial project.

Basic real fact is that Makkah needed much more room for pilgrims.
this could be achivied in many ways: building a huge complex, increasing the number of the minor scattered hotels, experimenting with the local families for bed and breakfast solutions (why not?), making a new center close to makkah with accomodation structures.

They went for a huge building right next to the Holy Mosque.

This choice is subject to criticism for many reasons.

First of all they didn't really care for the surroundings: think of the people living around, the actual smaller hotels, think of having a wall half kilometer high in front of you, not so nice, maybe your hotel had a beautyful view ond the Mosque and now you face floor n°10.

Second, this complex sadly has nothing to do with islamic architecture.
Think of the beauty, grace and lightness of the historic Mosquees, Madrasahas and so on, this one is a casual mix of proportions, styles, decorations.
As an architectural evolution: thumbs down.

Third, the hotel makes the Holy Mosque look like an accessory of it!
Yes, the real center now is the Abraj Al-Bait, everything around it is of secondary importance, shifting the main attraction on where people eat and sleep instead of where they pray.

In my opinion, given the necessity of increasing hotels, they could do it in many better ways.
I couldn't agree more.

Plus, the photographs posted showing the, forgive me for saying, slums, outshadowed by this pretty gaudy structure is a pretty onerous metaphor for the mentality of the developers/country overall.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #11028
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I think this building is state of the art, lovely details, lovely overal cladding. Such a wonderfull building. Makes me want to visite Mecca some time!
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Old June 19th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #11029
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This choice is subject to criticism for many reasons.

First of all they didn't really care for the surroundings: think of the people living around, the actual smaller hotels, think of having a wall half kilometer high in front of you, not so nice, maybe your hotel had a beautyful view ond the Mosque and now you face floor n°10.
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Third, the hotel makes the Holy Mosque look like an accessory of it!
Yes, the real center now is the Abraj Al-Bait, everything around it is of secondary importance, shifting the main attraction on where people eat and sleep instead of where they pray.
Not to mention that not only was a mountain leveled, but a beautiful historical structure (Ajyad Fortress) as well.

I don't so much have a problem with the structure itself (though I do think it is on the gaudy side, especially in contrast to it surroundings; said gaudiness is almost nullified with the removal of the clock and spire) as I do its location. Personally, I find that when your hotel is casting a shadow on one of your most holy sites (look at the current Google maps image of it for crying out loud), there are some very screwed-up priority issues. At the very least, if there was a desire put the place next to the mosque, it be put on the north side.

Would it have been so hard to instead build it a substantial distance away (my rule of thumb is that at least 1.5x the height of the structure is used as the horizontal distance from your valued structure) and, instead, focus more on bulking-up that transit network?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 01:25 AM   #11030
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because the left side of the tower so slow to be coated on top of the progress which seems ...
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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #11031
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To ppl never see...
THE MAKKAH CLOCK PROJECT

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Old June 21st, 2012, 06:31 AM   #11032
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Makkah Royal Clock Tower

A view of the Abraj Al-Bait Towers seen on June 17, 2012, also known as
the Mecca Royal Hotel Clock Tower, in the holy city of Mecca. (AFP/Getty Images)














http://www.arabianbusiness.com/photo...er-462726.html
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Old June 21st, 2012, 09:39 AM   #11033
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This is one of the most elegant complexes I ever seen!


Seriously, I am not a sunni, I am not even a muslim, but THIS:
http://higherstations.wordpress.com/...hocolate-room/
sums up pretty well what I think of this and similar projects.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 03:03 PM   #11034
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 05:36 PM   #11035
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Got to be one of the most ugliest monstrosities going
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:32 PM   #11036
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:36 PM   #11037
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:49 PM   #11038
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Nice pics indeed, in the second pic I thought it was grass in the foreground.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 10:30 PM   #11039
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 10:40 PM   #11040
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I really like those photos!
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