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Old July 1st, 2012, 08:55 PM   #11101
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Old July 1st, 2012, 10:27 PM   #11102
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Old July 1st, 2012, 10:41 PM   #11103
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It what way will it 'outperform' big Ben? They are accurate clocks :s it's nothing to be proud of if it does though, Big Ben is over 100
True, 'beating' a 150 year old big clock isn't that impressive. The real comparison is between a big clock and the Swiss watch around your wrist. Given the design here, I bet they compare fairly well.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 01:26 AM   #11104
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The fact that many people argue about this building (when they do it in a respectful way) is the evidence that this is a controversial project.

Basic real fact is that Makkah needed much more room for pilgrims.
this could be achivied in many ways: building a huge complex, increasing the number of the minor scattered hotels, experimenting with the local families for bed and breakfast solutions (why not?), making a new center close to makkah with accomodation structures.

They went for a huge building right next to the Holy Mosque.

This choice is subject to criticism for many reasons.

First of all they didn't really care for the surroundings: think of the people living around, the actual smaller hotels, think of having a wall half kilometer high in front of you, not so nice, maybe your hotel had a beautyful view ond the Mosque and now you face floor n°10.

Second, this complex sadly has nothing to do with islamic architecture.
Think of the beauty, grace and lightness of the historic Mosquees, Madrasahas and so on, this one is a casual mix of proportions, styles, decorations.
As an architectural evolution: thumbs down.

Third, the hotel makes the Holy Mosque look like an accessory of it!
Yes, the real center now is the Abraj Al-Bait, everything around it is of secondary importance, shifting the main attraction on where people eat and sleep instead of where they pray.

In my opinion, given the necessity of increasing hotels, they could do it in many better ways.

very good argument, this building does not represent Islam, or its architecture.

horrific, disproportionate, a "false history" bad design.
I do not like.

I'm agnostic, but I respect Islam, but this building makes them look pretty bad.


muy buen argumento, éste edificio no representa al islam, ni a su arquitectura.

horroroso, desproporcionado, un "falso histórico", mal diseño.
No me gusta nada.

yo soy agnostico, pero respeto al islam, pero éste edificio los hace ver bastante mal.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 02:43 AM   #11105
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Is this like the equivalent of building a supertall overshadowing the basilica in Vatican city?
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 03:48 AM   #11106
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Seeing the hanging lamps in the last picture makes me want to smoke some hookah.

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Old July 2nd, 2012, 05:43 AM   #11107
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WOW! Thats such a huge clock !!! Stunning photos !!!
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Old July 10th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #11108
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Old July 10th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #11109
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Is this like the equivalent of building a supertall overshadowing the basilica in Vatican city?
This is the equivalent of building a large Hilton in the shape of the Eiffel tower on top of calvary hill overlooking the Old Town of Jerusalem (according to people who think this looks like Big Ben).

To be honest, I don't mind the abraj al-bait seeing as I'm not a Muslim and I like skyscrapers, but I can imagine I'd be pretty annoyed if they built one of these in Rome or Edinburgh or some such place.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 03:24 AM   #11110
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Beautiful and good for Isalamic city.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:00 AM   #11111
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The Saudi government is truly upgrading the city of Mecca. Even Vatican City gets upgraded and refurbished from time to time.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:04 AM   #11112
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This is the equivalent of building a large Hilton in the shape of the Eiffel tower on top of calvary hill overlooking the Old Town of Jerusalem (according to people who think this looks like Big Ben).

To be honest, I don't mind the abraj al-bait seeing as I'm not a Muslim and I like skyscrapers, but I can imagine I'd be pretty annoyed if they built one of these in Rome or Edinburgh or some such place.
so stop believing in bs fairy tales then you wont be offended
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Old July 11th, 2012, 01:29 AM   #11113
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It's high time we change the name of this thread to "Muslims, racism and Saudi Arabia-a socio-political debate"


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All the big projects in Makkah in one shot (from left to right):
Abraj Al Bait towers, Expansion of northern courtyards of Masjid-al-Haraam, Jabal Omar development project and the King Abdullah Expansion of Masjid-al-Haraam:

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Old July 11th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #11114
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This is the equivalent of building a large Hilton in the shape of the Eiffel tower on top of calvary hill overlooking the Old Town of Jerusalem (according to people who think this looks like Big Ben).

To be honest, I don't mind the abraj al-bait seeing as I'm not a Muslim and I like skyscrapers, but I can imagine I'd be pretty annoyed if they built one of these in Rome or Edinburgh or some such place.
i think it's just all about business
no offense, more hotels and larger mosque you build, more pilgrims will come. and more money from around the world that the saudi kings can spend on. life is beautiful
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Old July 11th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #11115
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i think it's just all about business
no offense, more hotels and larger mosque you build, more pilgrims will come. and more money from around the world that the saudi kings can spend on. life is beautiful
If you don't know what an Endowment is (in the title) grab a dictionary.
This building is probably the largest endowment ever recorreded in human history.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #11116
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If you don't know what an Endowment is (in the title) grab a dictionary.
This building is probably the largest endowment ever recorreded in human history.
The building itself was an endowment, but the guests still have to pay to stay in it don't they? The Abraj al-bait will make untold amounts of money for Mecca either way simply because of the amount of extra people that will go.

To be perfectly honest, people get a bit too upset about iconic structures: take the Shard in London: people claim it 'spoils the historic skyline', even though most of the skyline is grey 60s and 70s low-rise monstrosities. It is those that spoil the cityscape, because they are what change the entire face of the area from a historic European city to a pan-global 20th century city just like those in Africa, Asia and America. The same for Mecca: the Abraj al-bait is big, but it doesn't spoil the spiritual integrity of the city as much as the thousands of low rise modern buildings stretching out across the mountains.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #11117
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If you don't know what an Endowment is (in the title) grab a dictionary.
This building is probably the largest endowment ever recorreded in human history.
if these projects are planned by your government and it asked companies to invest by 'endowment' reason (i believe it's not only saudi companies), it's even more ironic
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Old July 12th, 2012, 04:40 AM   #11118
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Old July 12th, 2012, 06:36 AM   #11119
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The building itself was an endowment, but the guests still have to pay to stay in it don't they? The Abraj al-bait will make untold amounts of money for Mecca either way simply because of the amount of extra people that will go.

To be perfectly honest, people get a bit too upset about iconic structures: take the Shard in London: people claim it 'spoils the historic skyline', even though most of the skyline is grey 60s and 70s low-rise monstrosities. It is those that spoil the cityscape, because they are what change the entire face of the area from a historic European city to a pan-global 20th century city just like those in Africa, Asia and America. The same for Mecca: the Abraj al-bait is big, but it doesn't spoil the spiritual integrity of the city as much as the thousands of low rise modern buildings stretching out across the mountains.

ALL THE PROFITS GAINED FROM THIS TOWER goes to the maintenance of the two holy mosques

We have to taxes in Saudi Arabia
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