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Old November 26th, 2007, 10:43 PM   #1381
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this thread is so frustrating because of walli

I guess its time to unsubscribe
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I agree with you.
Let`s change the name of the thread to: Walli complaints about Mecca

I am a skyscraper fan. This building would be 87m taller tha the current tallest building in world so i am interested. But all i see is Walli complaining. Does he ever contribute anything useful to this thread?
Totally agree... I think its about time someone got banned from this thread.
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Old November 26th, 2007, 10:46 PM   #1382
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...snip... If you know little about the Grand Mosque area and condition, you will realize that this has 0.0000000000% of happening

But obviously, you know nothing
Thank you for clearing that up for those of us who know nothing of Mecca.

Does anyone have any street level shots of this project ?
Any photo threads on the mass of old ( soon to be gone ? ) buildings nearby ?
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Old November 27th, 2007, 12:13 AM   #1383
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You are welcome harryc...

It's okay when you don't know anything about Mecca... But it's a shame when you don't know anything and still give your opinion as if you know it all


Here are some street level pictures of the square in front of the project,

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Old November 27th, 2007, 12:47 AM   #1384
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Do you have any pictures of the space between the Kaaba perimeter wall and the project? These pictures are not actually directly in front of the project, rather, they are of the space over to one side of the project.

In this particular picture, you can see that the large-scale project further ahead angling to the left along with the Kaaba perimeter wall. The space between the two becomes a real squeeze! The street level in that area, particularly because that is the street level of this project we're discussing, is of interest.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 12:56 AM   #1385
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Totally agree... I think its about time someone got banned from this thread.
I actually think he's done a pretty good job of toning down the rhetoric. At least he's not going on about the "Saudi regime" and the destruction of the Ottoman castle anymore.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 02:51 AM   #1386
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Do you have any pictures of the space between the Kaaba perimeter wall and the project? These pictures are not actually directly in front of the project, rather, they are of the space over to one side of the project.
What's the "Kaaba perimeter wall"????
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Old November 27th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #1387
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Do you have any pictures of the space between the Kaaba perimeter wall and the project? These pictures are not actually directly in front of the project, rather, they are of the space over to one side of the project.
It is not small at all as you think. It is big enough.... Seems you never been in Makkah
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Old November 27th, 2007, 05:33 PM   #1388
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Old November 27th, 2007, 07:51 PM   #1389
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What's the "Kaaba perimeter wall"????
Sorry for confusing you. I often forget that English is a second language for most Saudis.

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It is not small at all as you think. It is big enough.... Seems you never been in Makkah
I have not been there since this development got above the ground, but neither have most on this thread. I'm not sure what is meant by 'it is big enough', particularly since the pictures that are being shared have not shown this area.

Your continued harassment with comments such as 'Seems you [have] never been in Makkah' is not required.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 09:53 PM   #1390
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Sorry for confusing you. I often forget that English is a second language for most Saudis.
hahaha

Walli... focus....
you are not confusing me... you are making me laugh .. Seriouslly!!
There's no such thing called the "Kaaba perimeter wall" in any language on Earth!!


and by the way, English is the second language for ALL Saudis!!
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Old November 27th, 2007, 10:19 PM   #1391
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Walli... focus....
you are not confusing me... you are making me laugh .. Seriouslly!!
There's no such thing called the "Kaaba perimeter wall" in any language on Earth!!


and by the way, English is the second language for ALL Saudis!!
I think he means the exterior wall of the Grand Mosque.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 11:04 PM   #1392
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I think he means the exterior wall of the Grand Mosque.
He means the interior part of the exterior wall

The part of the Grand Mosque that lacks a roof.
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Old November 28th, 2007, 04:31 AM   #1393
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I'm surprised so few people understand the descriptor 'perimeter' particularly when that post included a picture. It is very common language - like saying the perimeter wall of a fort. There might be other walls inside a fort, but the perimeter wall refers to the one furthest out, which encircles. It is irrespective of other names of such walls. Like I said, sorry for confusing a few of you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perimeter

It is amazing how many irrelevant posts you guys have put up without talking about the actual project. Perhaps someone can actually respond to the request of a picture of the street level immediately outside this project? Are none of you in Makkah?
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Old November 28th, 2007, 04:46 AM   #1394
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Yah, Walli we are all wrong and your right.

The Kaaba Perimeter Wall has eluded all of us except you!

why don't you show us what u mean by highlighting the area in a picture? instead of condescendingly posting a dictionary link
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Old November 28th, 2007, 06:37 AM   #1395
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Yah, Walli we are all wrong and your right.

The Kaaba Perimeter Wall has eluded all of us except you!

why don't you show us what u mean by highlighting the area in a picture? instead of condescendingly posting a dictionary link


Good idea..
Walli highlight this wall thing you are talking about...

The Kaaba Perimeter Wall



Anyways, here are nice pictures from one of Abraj Albait towers,




http://m7mad.net/wp/?p=13#more-13
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Old November 28th, 2007, 06:44 AM   #1396
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Nice diagram,

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=34622
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Old November 28th, 2007, 07:10 AM   #1397
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While regulations may have been tightened, they don't always result in an improved fire response system. The metrics are unfortunately not always centred around lives saved. While the issues include lack of appropriate response, there is sometimes also the purposeful delay in response (a hard one to swallow)!

With respect to this project, beyond fire response, I would also add implications on logistics around the Kaaba, given the addition of this large complex. There has already been a history of stampedes causing death, and I'm wondering if this has been helped or hindered here?

Hajj disasters:

1987: 400 die as Saudi authorities confront pro-Iranian demonstration
1990: 1,426 pilgrims killed in tunnel leading to holy sites
1994: 270 killed in stampede + hundreds injured
1997: 343 pilgrims die and 1,500 injured in fire
1998: At least 118 trampled to death + hundreds indured
2001: 35 die in stampede
2003: 14 are crushed to death
2004: 251 trampled to death in stampede + hundreds injured
2006: 345 trampled to death in stampede + hundreds injured


Now this list above tells me that logistics and unimpeded movement of people is a huge issue - and certainly there has not been a real improvement from the numbers that keep dying! Hope people understand the connection of this information and issue to this large project.

If I visit Mecca during Hajj, I'll probably watch the festivities from the comfort of my hotel room.
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Old November 28th, 2007, 07:25 AM   #1398
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Do you have any pictures of the space between the Kaaba perimeter wall and the project? These pictures are not actually directly in front of the project, rather, they are of the space over to one side of the project.

In this particular picture, you can see that the large-scale project further ahead angling to the left along with the Kaaba perimeter wall. The space between the two becomes a real squeeze! The street level in that area, particularly because that is the street level of this project we're discussing, is of interest.
Don`t you mean the grand mosque perimeter wall? As far as i know the Kabaa is inside the Grand Mosque
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Old November 28th, 2007, 08:43 AM   #1399
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That's a great picture, as it gives a good idea of how many people can be in and around the Kaaba complex at any one time. Someone had mentioned how the numbers keep trending up - wonder how it will work when there are twice as many people?

The area I was talking about is in the bottom right of this picture, IE where the space between the Abraj al Bait development and the perimeter wall of the Kaaba complex (IE the grand mosque) is the smallest. It seems to be the bottleneck.
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yeah, very good architecture and really fit with its environment. Go Abraj Al-Bait!
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