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Old December 2nd, 2007, 01:49 AM   #1481
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LOL, If you haven't read some of Walli's old posts your comments are not needed.

Dream1981 and Riyadhi are both the LIFE LINE's of this thread. The Updates of the Clock and the changes in height both times were reported here first by Dream1981. Without him we won't have this thread. The last thing all three of us want is for the thread to break down, which it has been by things like "bottlenecks" and "Kaaba perimeter wall" that were made up by him to continue his assault on the project.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 02:49 AM   #1482
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speaking of which, several of us have been asking for construction updates / pictures. Is there anyone on this forum that actually is in Mecca and can snap some pics? That would certainly get things back on track.

By the way, you were going to provide some evidence to support your repeated claims that I was lying about something or other. What happened?

Oh - and did you actually read the thread you were directing people to? While it is an extremely relevant and interesting thread, it was not what you were saying.

Thank-you to Alle and Peloso (and others) for trying to keep us on track. I was a little-bit over the top earlier in my participation on this forum, largely due to my disagreement with the decision to demolish historic buildings to make room for this project. After feedback, we transitioned that discussion to another thread, and I've tried hard to keep this thread on track (which includes, as it should, a diversity of opinions irrespective of what they are).

VV Riyadhi seems to be a lost cause, and insists on making nine irrelevant posts for every one post actually related to this project. Moderators really need to take note!

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Old December 2nd, 2007, 02:57 AM   #1483
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LOL, If you haven't read some of Walli's old posts your comments are not needed.

Dream1981 and Riyadhi are both the LIFE LINE's of this thread. The Updates of the Clock and the changes in height both times were reported here first by Dream1981. Without him we won't have this thread. The last thing all three of us want is for the thread to break down, which it has been by things like "bottlenecks" and "Kaaba perimeter wall" that were made up by him to continue his assault on the project.

Regarless of the fact that all what we have been doing is correcting the lies that he keeps bringing about this project, some of the stuff that he said is REALLY stupid.... And what's funny is that he claims to know it all!!!!

Yet, people still don't understand why we thought what Walli said and insisted on saying was stupid and think that we are just taking it personal!!

Well, People of SSC, imagine that someone tells you something about The Steel Tower of Europe (Eiffel Tower), and at the same time claims to be French!!

Or someone telling you something about the Triangles of Cairo (The Pyramids) and that he’s Egyptian!!

Or someone tells you about The Fort of Washington (the white house)!! And insists that this what it is called!!!!




Those were some simliar examples to the names he has been giving to the sites in Mecca....Let's gvie examples of his stupid analogy..... what would you think if someone tells you that the Freedom tower should not be built because Manhattan could sink as a result of the weight of the tower!! Stupid right??

How would you react if someone tells you that Burj Dubai will increasing global warming because it is too high that it might poke a hole in the ozone layer!! you will laugh right?? espeically when you realize that he is actually serious!!


Really, his arguments are even more stupid that...... how would you argue against that?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 09:03 AM   #1484
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Alright guys don't get too upset about who said what. Most of the guys here are armchair experts and their expertise and capabilities will stops when they get off their chair (with regards to this project). If someone thinks that there are rooms for better utilization of areas and spaces then let them start in their own towns and cities. There are rooms for better utilization of areas and spaces in every city of the world.

I don't see any relevance in saying what should have or could have done about the project because that is irrelevant.

And please don't take it too personally. The fact that you are reacting this way is giving this guy a leeway to exploit further and draw more attention. He doesn't and will not call any shots as to how and what should be done about the Kaaba and/or its surrounding areas. So, let him keep his thoughts with him.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 11:15 AM   #1485
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you still fighting? loool
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 11:26 AM   #1486
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Its so kitch but I love it so much !
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 12:25 PM   #1487
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Is this a rendering of the taller version at 595m, or the prior shorter one?

VV thanks malec! Hey - I just noticed some sort of netting / mesh protruding out from the main entry portal in this rendering. Do you know what that is?

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Old December 2nd, 2007, 12:50 PM   #1488
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It's the taller one
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 05:11 PM   #1489
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Some pictures for the shopping mall of Abraj Al-Bait:









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Old December 2nd, 2007, 05:25 PM   #1490
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I just noticed some sort of netting / mesh protruding out from the main entry portal in this rendering. Do you know what that is?
It had been cancelled as far I know unless if they decided to install it back but upto now it is cancelled Wallahu a'lam (Allah knows best).

I heard that they might install it but it is still a rumor without any confirmation or work on the site.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 06:17 AM   #1491
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The view looks great from the Abrait Al-Bait, it looks amazing. I like how it looks the mall too.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 09:07 PM   #1492
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Does anybody know if Abraj Al-Bait will overtake the Pentagon as the biggest building?
It's a mountain!
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:02 PM   #1493
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Abraj Al Bait: 1,500,000 m²
Pentagon: 620,000 m²
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:19 PM   #1494
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wow, 1,5mio is damn much for one building!
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:25 PM   #1495
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Thx Riyadhi, impressive!
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 11:06 PM   #1496
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LOL, If you haven't read some of Walli's old posts your comments are not needed.

Dream1981 and Riyadhi are both the LIFE LINE's of this thread. The Updates of the Clock and the changes in height both times were reported here first by Dream1981. Without him we won't have this thread. The last thing all three of us want is for the thread to break down, which it has been by things like "bottlenecks" and "Kaaba perimeter wall" that were made up by him to continue his assault on the project.
Up until recently, DreaM1981 was the only one consistently contributing anything of value to this thread, in terms of pictures and factual context. Now, even his posts have descended into this bickering bullshit. In the past few weeks, if he even asks a simple question, you guys all jump all over him in two seconds, accusing him of lying or being off-topic, even where he isn't. His question about bottlenecks clearly indicated that he didn't know anything about the layout of the area around Abraj al-Bait and the Grand Mosque -- constantly repeating a mantra of "you obviously haven't been to Mecca" and "there's no such thing as a Kaaba perimeter wall" is just a way to condescend towards him without offering anything productive in response.

I was one of the first people to insist that he shut down his repeated complaints about the Saudi regime and the Ottoman castle. Now, I'm insisting that you guys shut down this endless bullying and get back to the topic.
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Old December 4th, 2007, 02:44 AM   #1497
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Guys - the other thread, which is supposed to only be talking about heritage vs. development in Mecca, continues to get people who insist on posting comments about this project. I've tried to reinforce things several times, but it is not working. As such, I somewhat sympathize with those trying to keep posts on this thread on the topic of the Abraj al Bait. Through a little bit of effort, below I've copied and pasted several of the Abraj al Bait comments from the other thread. Hope this helps somewhat. These are several comments all on this project (and they should have been made on this thread in the first place):

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I tot that's the palace of the Klingon Emperor or something . I do not favor this project, the design is so stupid and looks like a place for only rich Muslims(dictators, corrupt officials,exiled leaders,mafia,stupid people who're just rich) and nullify the value of equality in Mecca.
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I must say that project is HORRIBLE... so out of context.... more like Disneyland and Vegas combined..... makes me want to vomit...... and I'm not even religious...but that is soooooooo not right..... everybody...muslims and non-muslims should be offended by this project...... I would not wish that monstrosity on my worst enemy....

is it me or does that look like a morphed Big Ben in there??? What the F#@*???!!
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Isn't Mekka a place where all muslims cometogether as equals? So why are there 5.000+ USD a night hotels, while others have to sleep in tents?
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It's terribly awful, and that giant Big Ben is one of the crappiest things I've ever seen.
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I am not religious in anyway,but this is disgusting!!! Mecca is a place of historical importance.No modern building should be allowed to overshadow an area as significant as this place.
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the money spent on this project could probably have provided clean drinking water, proper medical care, and proper schooling to millions of poor people....
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it looks retarded.
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Debate about this building is, unfortunately, cut short on the Saudi forums. When you question this building, Saudi forumers throw out the "keep religion out of this" or "90% of the world's Muslims arent offended by this" (suggesting that only Shia's are offended by this structure.

Because this is Makkah, and this building is built right next to the Kaaba, this discussion will naturally have a religious tilt to it in that we criticize it for being so close to Islam's holiest sanctuary. I suspect the Saudi forumers know this, but since they're Wahabbis and believe this building is "progress" and preservation of buildings is idolatry, they just throw out the "NO RELIGIOUS DEBATE" card to silence criticism.

Anyways, even if you don't criticize this on religious grounds, you can criticize this for being the monstrosity which it is. The size, architecture, and clock are just absolutely 100% hideous. It saddens me to know that our holiest shrine is right next to one of the ugliest buildings I've ever seen. We deserve better than having Saudi fanatics trying to raze old Makkah and replace it with their monuments. This is especially true considering the fact that Makkah isn't Wahabbi (only the non-Shia portions of Eastern KSA are truly Wahabbi), and that hundreds of years of exposure to all sorts of Muslim pilgrims means that Makkah is relatively liberal and tolerant.
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Saudies are proving that they are the grandsons of arabs before prophet. Idolators. They are disrespectful against heritage and also they earn money over religion like Idolator Arabs. They sell Kabaa, they use Kabaa and religion as acomercial material.
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I really hate that they build those scrapers right next to the Ka'aba... The towers look acceptable, but definetly not at that location. Just a waste of money and resources - and also a loss of reputation for Mecca imo.
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The building is tacky. It seems to be an amalgamation of Las Vegas strip chintz, and overbuilding to an inappropriate degree. It doesn't fit in well with the surrounding feel of the district, rather, it sticks out like a sore thumb. This is more about commercialism than it is about accommodating large throngs of devout worshippers. Unfortunately, whoever designed this building had no sense of esthetic.
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The Saudis are ruining Makkah with all this stuff.

Build that stuff in Jeddah or Taif nearby...not right next door to the Kaaba. It's blasphemous and tasteless.
Reviewing this long list of comments, I know some will not be too happy. Unfortunately, there seems to be a trend to the comments on that other thread. If you have issues, feel free to visit that one and leave your thoughts there.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=531080&page=6
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Old December 4th, 2007, 02:51 AM   #1498
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any updates. makes it real hard to update diagrams when the past few pages have been unrelated matter.
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Old December 4th, 2007, 04:21 AM   #1499
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Wow, I never realized this project was going to be built THAT close to the mosque.

I'm not even Muslim, but that's just horrible. It draws attention from what should be the most important building in the area.

Negative attention as well personally, I find that design atrocious.

Very tall however. Which I find is good (i'm a height ***** lol). But wrong location.

LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION!
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Old December 4th, 2007, 04:39 AM   #1500
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...Unfortunately, there seems to be a trend to the comments on that other thread. If you have issues, feel free to visit that one and leave your thoughts there.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=531080&page=6
Exactly, Keep this thread on topic.

No more bickering and finger pointing!! Things have been smooth for a couple of days and I was actually beginning to enjoy this thread again, until this whole inappropriate argument was revived.

walli, your not helping by posting a long list of comments which do not belong here, but thank you for posting a link to the appropriate place where people can go to share these views and discuss them.

Please, use due judgment people.
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