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Old January 8th, 2008, 05:31 PM   #1541
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This is from a month ago, but as there are no real other updates on this thread, this might be interesting to hold us over:

Binladin to build Mecca towers with $6bn loan
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/50591...-with-6bn-loan
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Old January 8th, 2008, 05:35 PM   #1542
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It's just a building. I bet people cried foul when the first 10 story building was built next to the holy center.
This is interesting as a European comparison.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-U...CTION=201.html

Yet keep in mind that this European example has the much smaller towers being built well away and across a river, and in the global context, the the site being protected would not compare to the Ka'ba. Yet ...

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The Committee sounded the alarm for the integrity of the urban landscape around the Cathedral after hearing of the construction of several high-rise buildings on the bank of the Rhine River opposite the Cathedral, which was inscribed on the World Heritage List in 1996.

The integrity of the Cathedral, built between 1248 and 1880, is not endangered by the new constructions, said Birgitte Ringbeck, from the German observer-delegation at the meeting. However, she recognized that the new construction might have a harmful visual impact on the World Heritage property.

“The Cologne Cathedral and its urban landscape are the city’s only outstanding cultural heritage elements to have survived World War Two,” said Francesco Bandarin, the Director of UNESCO’s World Heritage Centre. “I sincerely hope that Cologne will not lose an important component of its historical legacy,” he added.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 05:47 PM   #1543
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How come they are so far through construction if they have not yet obtained all the finance needed to complete the towers??
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Old January 9th, 2008, 03:36 AM   #1544
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Yea, just like someone tear down Castel Saint Angelo and build a supertall there, facing St. Peter's cathedral.

But it could be cool, who knows?
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Old January 9th, 2008, 03:41 AM   #1545
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...Yet keep in mind that this European example has the much smaller towers being built well away and across a river, and in the global context, the the site being protected would not compare to the Ka'ba.
In the case of Cologne, the UNESCO standards seem ridiculously exorbitant to me, but the city admininstration gave in and cancelled the only 110m tall Cologne One Tower to keep the World Heritage title. Now Dresden got the same problem with the UNESCO due to a necessary and approved bridge project over the Elbe Valley...

But those German cities don't have to be examples for Mecca, because Masjid al-Haram is not a World Heritage Site (strange but true), and even if the mosque were on the list, the city wouldn't have to pay much attention to any UNESCO evaluations: anyway Mecca will be the undoubted religious center in the Islamic world.

So it should be more important to sense, if the Mecca residents and the pilgrims can live with the huge Abraj Al-Bait. I could imagine that finally most citizens won't feel resentment about it, instead they might be proud of these towers, that indicate the great power of this place. Also Abraj Al-Bait could soon become a worldwide recognized icon, and pilgrims then await eagerly the moment when they see Abraj Al-Bait appearing on the horizon, leading them to their destination. Just an idea how things could evolve...
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Old January 9th, 2008, 04:26 AM   #1546
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Thanx for your photo, PwnedByASkyscraper!
So the main tower, rising to the left, is now clearly visible from the Ka'ba.
From the pic, it could've been almost 200 meters tall on 12/21/2007, I suppose... but that's not so easy to tell from that viewpoint.

Does anybody of you have some data about the actual construction progress?
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Old January 9th, 2008, 04:39 PM   #1547
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i've seen many people asking "was it necessary to build up a 600mts skyscraper close to a world's heritage site?"...i asked it too, and i notice that the vast majority of forumers who made this question are, if not Christians, Westeners. don't know if it is a case, but i'd love to ask if any Muslim association was against this building when on proposal. who does Muslim world think about it?
mind this is not a polemic post, i'm just curious.
by the way, looking at the pictures, it seems fitting quite well in the surrounding area, i have to say. did anybody go on pilgrimage to Mecca and had the chance to shoot a couple of photos?
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Old January 9th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #1548
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i've seen many people asking "was it necessary to build up a 600mts skyscraper close to a world's heritage site?"...i asked it too, and i notice that the vast majority of forumers who made this question are, if not Christians, Westeners. don't know if it is a case, but i'd love to ask if any Muslim association was against this building when on proposal. who does Muslim world think about it?
mind this is not a polemic post, i'm just curious.
by the way, looking at the pictures, it seems fitting quite well in the surrounding area, i have to say. did anybody go on pilgrimage to Mecca and had the chance to shoot a couple of photos?
I would suggest that a vast majority of the Muslim world (of which less than 15% are Arab) are against this project. In fact, Turkey launched formal complaints about the destruction of the historic castle, which used to exist on the site where this project is coming up. The reason a large number of forumers on this thread are from the Occident, is because of access to technology in a lot of cases. For more feedback on this project from Muslims, see the following thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=531080

There is also a thread in the www.archnet.org forums that is discussing this. ArchNet is an on-line archive and tool for architecture in the Muslim world. Very few Muslims outside of the Arab region like this project.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #1549
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I would suggest that a vast majority of the Muslim world (of which less than 15% are Arab) are against this project. In fact, Turkey launched formal complaints about the destruction of the historic castle, which used to exist on the site where this project is coming up. The reason a large number of forumers on this thread are from the Occident, is because of access to technology in a lot of cases. For more feedback on this project from Muslims, see the following thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=531080

There is also a thread in the www.archnet.org forums that is discussing this. ArchNet is an on-line archive and tool for architecture in the Muslim world. Very few Muslims outside of the Arab region like this project.
thanks Walli...what's the historic castle which was existing in the area?have you got any information about it?
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Old January 10th, 2008, 01:05 AM   #1550
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I don't want to bring it up here as that is one of the reasons why the other thread was started. Look through that one and you'll see some information. It was an Ottoman castle.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:10 AM   #1551
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i've seen many people asking "was it necessary to build up a 600mts skyscraper close to a world's heritage site?"...i asked it too, and i notice that the vast majority of forumers who made this question are, if not Christians, Westeners. don't know if it is a case, but i'd love to ask if any Muslim association was against this building when on proposal. who does Muslim world think about it?
mind this is not a polemic post, i'm just curious.
by the way, looking at the pictures, it seems fitting quite well in the surrounding area, i have to say. did anybody go on pilgrimage to Mecca and had the chance to shoot a couple of photos?
Actually most Muslims in the world are okay with it and rather happy with it. The only exceptions I can think of are the Turks and Shiites, and well some who I would simply call anti-Saudis. The Turks are not happy with it simply because it was built on the site of an Ottoman castle. The Shiites are not happy because they blame the sunni salafis for everything in the world.

I have many Muslim friends from Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia and even a Chinese Muslim who are actually very happy and thankful for what what the Saudis are doing in the holy cities of Mecca and Madina..
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Old January 11th, 2008, 01:12 PM   #1552
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^ totally agree with u
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Old January 11th, 2008, 01:35 PM   #1553
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well, i've seen the picture of the Castle, well, it seemed a nice building, sad they blew it up. i wouldn't have done it, losing heritage is always a sad thing in my opinion. the area with the new skyscraper may be richer and more prosperous, but surely has lost some charme.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 02:34 PM   #1554
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This Mecca project reminds of post-war-commie-architecture. Looks kind of like Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw, or Stalin's Seven Sisters in Moscow. Just it's twice as big

Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_...ence%2C_Warsaw
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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:22 PM   #1555
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This Mecca project reminds of post-war-commie-architecture. Looks kind of like Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw, or Stalin's Seven Sisters in Moscow. Just it's twice as big
Absolutely - and you're not the only one making such parallels. I would add that it is a cross between Seven Sisters, Big Ben and a Las Vegas casino.

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Actually most Muslims in the world are okay with it and rather happy with it. The only exceptions I can think of are the Turks and Shiites, and well some who I would simply call anti-Saudi.
I think you'd have to add all the Muslims who are anti-Binladin, which is a lot. Remember that only 15% of Muslims are Arabs. Equating silence with being 'rather happy with it' is also a mistake.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:49 PM   #1556
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guys may i mention this will be the worlds highest clock tower for sometime

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can you imagin that big ben is the 4th largest while this mega towers lead the way i mean seriously that must be one huge clock !
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Old January 11th, 2008, 06:33 PM   #1557
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looks pretty amazing how small big ben looks in that diagram
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Old January 11th, 2008, 06:37 PM   #1558
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Old January 12th, 2008, 02:17 PM   #1559
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i thought big ben was big but compared to this its a pin prick!
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Old January 12th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #1560
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big ben isnt very big at all
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