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Old April 4th, 2008, 01:12 AM   #1821
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Isn't this in some way mocking allah, how come terrorists haven't come and blown it to pieces yet?
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Old April 4th, 2008, 01:24 AM   #1822
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Isn't this in some way mocking allah, how come terrorists haven't come and blown it to pieces yet?
That's a very good question. Don't we think these terrorists know what they are doing, always targeting the west?

As for the building, I don't think it's that too ugly!
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Old April 4th, 2008, 01:51 AM   #1823
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Isn't this in some way mocking allah, how come terrorists haven't come and blown it to pieces yet?
That's a very good question. Don't we think these terrorists know what they are doing, always targeting the west? ...


The posts in this thread never cease to amaze me... Its a wonder we havent annihilated ourselves...
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Old April 4th, 2008, 02:18 AM   #1824
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I heard on various news stations a while ago that Al Queda destroyed the World Trade Centre because it's height was mocking allah. Why would this be any different? It's so close to the mosque and its possible 10x times taller than the minarets.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 02:29 AM   #1825
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Old April 4th, 2008, 02:47 AM   #1826
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I heard on various news stations a while ago that Al Queda destroyed the World Trade Centre because it's height was mocking allah. Why would this be any different? It's so close to the mosque and its possible 10x times taller than the minarets.
Bullshit! this is a complete lie and you just totally made that shit up!
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Old April 4th, 2008, 04:08 AM   #1827
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Have you guys seen these,you will like it
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Old April 4th, 2008, 08:50 AM   #1828
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I read that the Saudi rulers destroyed an old Ottoman fort to make room for this monster of a skyscraper, and the Turks compared this act to the destruction of the Buddhas in Bamiyan.

At least a palace in Islamic architecture, straight from 1001 Nights or the Prince of Persia series would have been the way to go.

Still I find it quite funny and ironic they chose the Empire State Building and Big Ben to copy (maybe Las Vegas also from what I see ) - creations of the unbelievers, to whom this city is off-limits.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 10:37 AM   #1829
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Quite a large project, very good for Mecca.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 11:37 AM   #1830
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=593481
Interesting , since most of the skyscrapers are built outside the kaaba.

People forget that in Mecca, and during the hajj, men wear white sheets, because it's forbidden to wear sewn clothes. Mainly out of modesty, reminding people that they're all equal and they should not "brag" about their wealth (arrogance is a big sin). They should remember the poor (as is one of the lessons taught by fasting the month of Ramadan : to remember the poor who can't afford the good meals other people have, and encourage rich to give to the poor), so it makes us feel empathy for the poor and needy.
So if pilgrims were allowed to wear what they like, Hajj would look like a clothing parade were everyone trying to look their best (which is not bad in itslef, as we do it in feasts) but it's not the right place : during pilgrimage, people should only think of modesty and obeying God.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #1831
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I read that the Saudi rulers destroyed an old Ottoman fort to make room for this monster of a skyscraper, and the Turks compared this act to the destruction of the Buddhas in Bamiyan.

At least a palace in Islamic architecture, straight from 1001 Nights or the Prince of Persia series would have been the way to go.

Still I find it quite funny and ironic they chose the Empire State Building and Big Ben to copy (maybe Las Vegas also from what I see ) - creations of the unbelievers, to whom this city is off-limits.

I bet if we had this forum during the Ottoman empire's rule we'd all be protesting how unholy this fort is and so close to the kabaa. In 400 years if they destroy this skyscraper to build something bigger someone would be upset as well.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #1832
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I bet if we had this forum during the Ottoman empire's rule we'd all be protesting how unholy this fort is and so close to the kabaa. In 400 years if they destroy this skyscraper to build something bigger someone would be upset as well.
Yup!, it doesn't get more accurate than this post.

Historically and culturally, well done.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #1833
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The posts in this thread never cease to amaze me... Its a wonder we havent annihilated ourselves...
It's harder to take you seriously when that AYE-AYE is staring at me.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 10:32 PM   #1834
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The only Muslims who feel offended by this tower are the non-practicing secular Muslims. The belief that a tower might dominate the Kabba because it is too big show how naive they are about Islam.
That's a funny statement Did you do a scientific research about that?

On the other hand it's actually not very polite to say such thing, because with that statement you're questioning my feelings about Islam, and by that you're doing something which only hypocrites do, so they can call only themselves real Muslims.

Anyway, maybe it's because that your country doesn't have much historically important buildings to dominate, you may not find it a problem building ridiculous huge buildings like this next to such important places.

And by the way, you don't have be clear-sighted to see that this building dominates the area and also the Holy Mosque and the Kaaba in a material way. That's not a feeling but is a fact anyone can observe.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #1835
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Yea, maybe, but I still insist that there are no restrictions, at least Islamically about building this tower.
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Old April 6th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #1836
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Yea, maybe, but I still insist that there are no restrictions, at least Islamically about building this tower.
Yeah, that must be true, because if it there were any, they certainly wouldn't build this tower. And that means that this case is not an Islamic issue, but simply just a matter of taste (and opinion). And everyone knows, there is no arguing about that.
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Old April 13th, 2008, 09:39 PM   #1837
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Old April 13th, 2008, 10:11 PM   #1838
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Old April 13th, 2008, 10:41 PM   #1839
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wonderful whith an update it has ben ages sens this good update for this thred !
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Old April 13th, 2008, 10:59 PM   #1840
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I've never posted in this thread before, and, indeed, never saw it until tonight. In the last few hours, I've read over 500 postings in this thread, its antecedent, and the "daughter" thread that was intended to remove the "contentious" apects from here, and get it back to steel & concrete. It doesn't look like this has worked.

A few comments:

Firstly, I actually like the design of the building- or cluster of buildings- even though I initially thought I was looking at Moscow University or the Russian Parliament. There has been much mention of "Los Vegas" style architecture, but, so far as I understand it, Los Vegas has basically sought to copy sundry other styles cheaply and doesn't have a style of its own ... anyway, I've never been there.

The clock ... lots of people hated the clock, or called it a copy: to my way of thinking, it's just a question of getting the proportions right: specifically, between the clock-face and the surrounding square of masonry or whatever.

There's been much carping about the positioning of the building, and I note that this is highly unusual. Although in my own city there are "envelopes" governing the height of buildings, it is rare on SSC to see a spirited debate about how a building under construction relates to its environment, and if you ask me, this should probably happen more often. I'd add that I wouldn't think that these sort of issues were off-topic: within reason.

The reason these issues arose here was because the building concerned was in Mecca (Mekkah), and, moreover, very close to a sacred site: The Kaa'ba.

Why should this be of importance? I'm not a Muslim, I'm an Atheist- although I was rather casually raised as a Christian. Never-the-less, I have a certain respect for the sacred places of sundry religions, and I can see why there has been so much debate (before and after the "daughter" thread was created), both from Muslims, and from others.

The Ancient Greeks considered everyone except themselves to be, by definition, "barbarians". The Chinese guy who was almost my father-in-law apparently referred to me as a "white devil". You can be an infidel, and still care about a holy city.

I'm sorry to see so many people were banned from this forum- I presume it was on account of what they posted in this thread- since, while they certainly went over the top at times, at times they also made some sense.

I won't risk following them by sticking my neck out here, but, while I like this building, it's very dominant. In a location like that, I would have tried to spread things out a bit more.

One issue that was raised was the destruction of ancient or historic buildings: and the response was that millions of people came each year to Mecca, not as tourists, but as pilgrims. I'm aware that there are various sacred or historic sites around Mecca: some of the latter appear to have been lost, to provide a site for this building.

Let's be honest: much of Rome was rebuilt during the Renaissance, yet pilgrims still flock to the Vatican. But it still has its Colliseum and its Catacombs ... no, people don't go to Mecca to sight-see, but what would it be if only the Kaa'ba predated the twenty-first century?

I did try the other thread, but it'd been dead for three months, and this one was still churning over the same old stuff

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