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Old April 11th, 2006, 08:23 AM   #21
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I always thought BWI as Baltimore's airport, or the cheap person's airport for Washington DC. Extending the Green Line won't really bring more business travelers to BWI...

There's a bus connection right now that runs pretty infrequently and uses the highway... this would probably work better as an alternative for commuters, rather than as a link to the airport. Baltimore-Washington traffic can get pretty horrendous.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 08:35 AM   #22
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Is it truly necessary?

As far as speed goes, the maglev proposal being thrown around could serve BWI.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 09:36 AM   #23
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Who knows what's going on as far as the maglev is concerned. B'more's subway and DC's metro could extend to there, it would have positive effects, but I don't know if it's truly necessary right now. It's the busiest in the metro for the time being too. I think it's inevitable, but I'll reserve judgement until we get more research into it.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 10:31 AM   #24
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I am a resident in DC/Baltimore area. I have concerns about the future transportation in the sprawls between DC and Baltimore in the era of high gas prices. This metro system could serve people living in this surburbia as well as people using BWI airport.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 11:19 PM   #25
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Actually, Washington & Baltimore already have very good transportation connections, with frequent Amtrak NE Coorider & VIA commuter rail, both serving BWI. Maybe the Washington & Baltimore metros might even eventually be directly connected. But that's very long-range.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 11:31 PM   #26
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Baltimore already has a light rail line that extends to BWI. If the Green Line of the DC Metro is extended to BWI, it will be possible to get from DC to Baltimore via metro and light rail. The cities are already connected by commuter trains and Amtrak. The metro and light rail connection would offer an interesting alternative with a higher frequency of service.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 07:29 AM   #27
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That is just wasteful. BWI is a LONG way from DC, it would be over twice as far out as the Green Line currently ends. Metro isn't a suburban commuter rail system. I personally think that extending Metro as far as Dulles is too far, let alone as far our as BWI. There is already a rail link between DC and BWI, improve service on that. Think of the urban transit that could be built for this proposed glorified commuter line. I also think that the $2.5 billion price tag and expecting the Feds to foot 90% of the cost are a bit optomistic.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 02:07 PM   #28
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I recently took the commuter service from Fredericksburg, VA to Washington. The commuter line parallels the Metro Blue Line through Alexandria. It was disconcerting to see the metro trains on the adjacent tracks overtaking the commuter train. The next time that I do that trip, I will transfer to the metro at King Street Station in Alexandria.

The BWI airport station is on the Acela route, so I would hope that the commuter trains running north from Washington are faster than those that run to the south.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 08:36 AM   #29
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You could transfer at Franconia as well.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:13 AM   #30
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I say MARC improves and eventually subways will link up. Two things, the BRAC relocation will be moving tens of thousands of jobs to Ft. Meade, so metro out there would be worth it. Another thing, commuter rail is better, if they increase frequency of trains it'll be fine, it'll be a lot faster than heavy rail too.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 06:17 PM   #31
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Metro to extend Yellow Line to Fort Totten
20 April 2006

WASHINGTON (AP) - Metro officials have agreed to extend the transit system's Yellow Line five additional stops beginning in January.

Trains will run beyond the Mount Vernon Square station to Fort Totten during off-peak hours and weekends as part of an 18-month pilot program.

Metro's board of directors made the decision at the request of community groups and residents in the Columbia Heights, 'U' Street and Petworth areas of D-C. The city will pay the nearly six (m) million dollars in costs.

In addition, Metro officials have voted to eliminate Red Line trains turning back at the Grosvenor-Strathmore station during off-peak hours and weekends. Maryland will pay for those costs -- projected at more than two million dollars.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 12:06 PM   #32
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On a related note ...

Entertainment To Swipe Your Farecard By
Under Proposal, Musicians, Mimes, Dancers Would Get Paid for Gigs Outside Metro Stations

By Lena H. Sun
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 5, 2006

Washington's buttoned-down subway riders might soon be able to get a little groove on during their commutes if a proposal for entertainment gets the go-ahead from Metro's board of directors.

Not to worry; American Idol it's not. Metro is not looking to foist any screechers on Washington's tender ears.

Under a proposal to be presented to the board Dec. 14, Metro would ask local arts councils in the six jurisdictions where it operates to vet performers they deem appropriate. The lucky winners, selected through auditions, would be paid by the arts councils, not Metro.

Performances would be outdoors and only at designated station entrances from April to October. Performances would take place primarily during lunchtime and at the end of the day, not during the morning rush when "people are very focused on getting to work," said Michael McBride, Metro's manager in charge of the Art in Transit program.

However limited, adding entertainers would be a big deal for Metro. The nation's second-busiest subway system is one of the few that prohibit music and other types of entertainment inside stations.

When the idea first came up in June, some board members balked. They worried that performers would get in the way of riders and that panhandling would lead to more theft. And they worried that there wasn't a suitable process to weed out what board member T. Dana Kauffman, who represents Virginia, called "mud-bucket" entertainment.

The revamped proposal was going to be presented to a board committee Thursday, but the meeting was postponed because of the funeral for Leslie A. Cherry, a track inspector killed last week by a Yellow Line train. Another track worker, Matthew Brooks, who was also struck, remains in critical condition at Inova Fairfax Hospital.

"We've addressed all their concerns," said McBride, adding that the Metro Performs! program would include music, theater, literary arts, mime, magic and dance.

"We would be capturing all genres of music, from classical to cutting-edge world music," he said. The dance would be limited. "Obviously, we can't roll out Marley," he said, referring to a kind of dance flooring.

There would also be holiday specials and other theme-based performances, such as a Duke Ellington day -- the composer was born in Washington, McBride said.

Subway buskers such as Pedro Machado-Luces, 49, of Northwest Washington can't wait for the tryouts to begin. Machado-Lucas plays guitar regularly near several downtown stations, often with his partner, Jay Wasserman. The exposure from busking has earned the two regular gigs at bookstores and coffee shops around town.

Last week, Machado-Lucas was strumming "The Girl From Ipanema" outside the Farragut North station. He typically plays Brazilian music, reggae, jazz and soul. But he was gearing up for the season by practicing a holiday classic, Irving Berlin's "White Christmas."

"It's a tough one because he's got this deep voice," Machado-Lucas said of Bing Crosby, crooner of the best-known version. "I have a higher voice."

Metro has 86 stations, but performances are likely to be limited to about 25 spots, depending on how many Metro approves and how much the arts councils are willing to spend. McBride said the arts organizations have agreed to pay the going rate of $120 to $130 for 2 1/2 hours. Panhandling would not be permitted.

The most sought-after spots are stations that see the most passengers. The D.C. Commission on the Arts and Humanities, for example, is interested in putting acts at Metro Center, Gallery Place, L'Enfant Plaza and Dupont Circle, McBride said.

The proposal fell on some receptive ears.

"It sounds kind of fun as long as it doesn't disrupt your daily getting on and off the trains during the rush hour," said Jorge Armenta, 28, a financial consultant who rides the Red Line from Grosvenor to Farragut North.

John Butterfield, 52, who works in publishing and commutes on the Orange Line from Court House to McPherson Square, welcomed anything "that brings a smile rather than dead silence and boring people walking." But he doesn't want musicians who win an official "seal of approval" to "squeeze out current musicians."

"I worry that we end up with elevator music," he said. "That rubs my libertarian bent the wrong way."
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Old January 10th, 2007, 05:38 AM   #33
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Spanish Subway Cars Scrutinized Following Washington Derailment

Troublesome Spanish cars involved in majority of recent U.S. subway derailments
9 January 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) - Metro officials said that the type of car involved in this week's derailment has accounted for more than half the 15 derailments in the subway system since 2001.

The 5,000-series cars, built by the Spanish company Construcciones y Auxiliar Ferrocarriles S.A., have been involved in eight derailments, including Sunday's, since 2001, the year the cars came on line, spokeswoman Cathy Asato said Tuesday. Sunday's was the only one in which passengers were on the train.

Previously, Metro had provided information about only five 5,000-series derailments -- Sunday's and four that occurred in 2003 and 2004. Asato said she could not account for the discrepancy.

The National Transportation Safety Board has said it plans to look at records of the previous derailments involving the 5,000-series as it tries to get to the bottom of Sunday's accident, in which 20 people were injured, including one seriously.

Virginia Verdeja, vice president of sales for CAF USA in Washington, said she has not heard of the derailments revealed Tuesday. But she said the company will cooperate fully with the investigation and that its cars have not been at fault in previous derailments.

"The trains complied with everything. They have gone through extensive testing. They're the best trains in the fleet," she said.

The 5,000 series cars account for about 20 percent of Metro's 950 cars.

On Tuesday, NTSB investigators interviewed the train operator, but they were not able to closely examine the derailed car as they had hoped because it has not been removed from the tunnel, spokesman Keith Holloway said. The car was expected to be pulled out by Wednesday morning, he said.

In addition to looking for the cause of the accident, the NTSB is also examining the emergency response. NTSB member Kitty Higgins said Tuesday there were concerns about whether the response was timely enough and whether information was provided quickly enough by Metro.

Metro spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said the transit agency was happy with firefighters' response. She declined to comment on why the evacuation took so long, citing the pending NTSB investigation.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 11:08 PM   #34
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I haven't heard any derailments in Spain caused by the cars. In fact, I haven't head any derailments of Cercanias or Subway trains in Madrid.

CAF trains are one of the best in the world, that's why they are bought in all the world, from china to usa.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 11:17 PM   #35
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Right... I never heard of such events happening over here.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 02:30 AM   #36
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Old January 12th, 2007, 02:32 AM   #37
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The Bombardier trains were also derailing on the ACELA because of incompetence from the consumer (AMTRAK). Given that CAF has few problems in other countries that they operate in, I would chalk this series of derailmente up to the incompetence of the Washing DC metro.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 06:44 AM   #38
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The Bombardier trains were also derailing on the ACELA because of incompetence from the consumer (AMTRAK)...
The Acela Fiasco

Amtrak's botched attempt at a high-speed train is a good case study in the problems caused by the FRA. As originally designed, the Acela was supposed to provide high-speed rail service on the Northeast Corridor (NEC) between Boston, New York, and Washington DC with speeds as high as 150 mph.

In order to procure the world's best off-the-shelf train for the least amount of money, Amtrak decided to buy an existing design from a European or Japanese manufacturer, who have decades of experience building and operating high-speed trains. The winner of this competition was a consortium of Bombadier and Alstom (the French TGV builder).

Then, in 1999 with Acela planning fully underway, the FRA pulled the rug out by issuing regulations for high-speed rail service requiring trains to withstand 800,000 pounds force without deformation. The 800,000 figure is an arbitrary number dating back to the 1920s; this mandate has since been increased to 1 million pounds.

The buffering requirement confounded Bombadier. Train weight is of crucial importance as it affects the amount of track wear, noise, and energy costs. To meet the buffering regulation, the train would have to be significantly bulked-up. The result was a highspeed train nearly twice as heavy as its European counterparts. As such, the Acela has been described variously as a tank-on-wheels and a bank-vault-on-wheels. Indeed, an overweight train like Acela would be banned from the European high speed rail network.

Because the extra weight put so much strain on the train body (which was never designed to handle such loads) trainsets suffered excessive wheel wear, cracks in the yaw damper and brake rotors, and other problems which can probably never be completely fixed. Whereas the original contract called for trains to run 400,000 miles between equipment failures, the Acela can barely manage 20,000 miles.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 07:28 AM   #39
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actually the models that the DC metro bought were new, using a bunch of newer technology now perfected and being used in the madrid metro, when DC bought them it was still very new, and therefore there are alot of bugs. The DC metro is one of the best in the world, incompitence dosent happen there. But thats what we get when we outsource all our stuff to other countries.
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actually the models that the DC metro bought were new, using a bunch of newer technology now perfected and being used in the madrid metro, when DC bought them it was still very new, and therefore there are alot of bugs. The DC metro is one of the best in the world, incompitence dosent happen there. But thats what we get when we outsource all our stuff to other countries.
"public transport" and "competence" don't go together in the US all too often.

I re-iterate, it was more likely DC versus the company.

And of course we have to outsource our train orders. There are no native train producers!
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