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Old June 18th, 2007, 05:21 AM   #41
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D.C metro silver line and others

I notice that i have never seen a post about it (and i may be wrong) but what about the Washington D.C metro.What about the silver line has any progress been made? Official plans,constuction anything? Any pics would be nice or comments or opinions on it. I have grown up with the Washington D.C metro and I must say compared to some others its preety nice. Its extrememly clean,well organized, and except for the fares easy to understand. Not the best but definetly not the worst. All opinons would be appreciaited. But most of all pictures please.If u have anything at all please post it. It does no good to talk about something and leave people hanging wondering what youre talking about.

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Old June 18th, 2007, 02:58 PM   #42
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D.C???? wtf is D.C??
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Old June 18th, 2007, 03:09 PM   #43
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Washington D.C. (District of Columbia) the capitol of America (USA - United States of America).
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Old June 18th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #44
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i thought silver line is in Boston, and Washington has only blue/red/yellow and orange ones.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 01:59 AM   #45
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Almost. The Silver line that is in Boston is a crappy BRT line that they tout as another full-fledged metro line. The Silver line in Washington DC is the proposed name of the orange line extension to Washington Dulles airport. Lots of metro systems around the world use colors to identify lines, so don't just assume that there is only one silver line, for example.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:11 AM   #46
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Almost. The Silver line that is in Boston is a crappy BRT line that they tout as another full-fledged metro line. The Silver line in Washington DC is the proposed name of the orange line extension to Washington Dulles airport. Lots of metro systems around the world use colors to identify lines, so don't just assume that there is only one silver line, for example.
What is so bad about Boston's Silver line, besides the fact it is not a subway or LRT, of course???
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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:42 AM   #47
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there is also a green line in DC. silver line project is now struggling to go through all the necessary approvals with ..seriously tons of agencies. there is also a lot of scandals surrounding the project, such as its costs and lack of publicity. a lot of people are opposed to the project also.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 07:41 PM   #48
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The Silver Line is currently in the middle of gaining approvals. Fairfax County voted just yesterday to fund its portion. Remaining approvals should come in the next few months, and construction can begin late this year or early next.

Here is what the Metro map will look like when they add the Silver line (sort of - you'll notice the yellow line extension that is already operating isn't shown, nor is the Anacostia streetcar which is currently under construction).
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Old June 19th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #49
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there is also a green line in DC. silver line project is now struggling to go through all the necessary approvals with ..seriously tons of agencies. there is also a lot of scandals surrounding the project, such as its costs and lack of publicity. a lot of people are opposed to the project also.
Very few people are opposed to the project. The controversy is whether it will be an elevated line or a subway through Tysons Corner.

It will be an el.

By the way, I'm on the Advisory Committee for the Transportation Planning Board. Any questions on DC area transportation, shoot them my way.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 09:21 PM   #50
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Ok since you're on the transportation board i was wondering why would u try to run the silver line all the way to stadium armory? Can metro center and lafant plaza handle the extra trains? How will this change the frequency of trains? And where is the schedule for construction? If the argument over planning is still going when will construction start? Are the plans for phase 1 going to be pushed back? Sorry i have a ton of questions. lol
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Old June 19th, 2007, 10:25 PM   #51
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why would u try to run the silver line all the way to stadium armory? Can metro center and lafant plaza handle the extra trains? How will this change the frequency of trains?
It's just renaming to Silver existing runs on the Orange line. Because of the Rossyln tunnel bottleneck, it's impossible to add a lot of new runs to the existing track, so if they didn't run the Silver line all the way to Stadium-Armory that would mean many fewer trains operating in the core of DC (where ridership is heaviest) than exist today. What this ultimately means is that there will likely be slightly fewer trains going to Vienna and Springfield, but *more* in the congested part between Rosslyn and Ballston.

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It depends on the speed with which approvals can be secured, but right now we're looking at opening of the first phase (to Wiehle Ave) in 2013.

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The argument over planning is over. At this point the tunnel crowd is just wasting their breath making noise. The line is going to be an el. It would take an act of god to change that now (and if so the project will be delayed at least 2-3 years).

In the long term a tunnel would be better, and it's a shame that it's not going to happen. But it's not going to happen.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 10:35 PM   #52
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What about the purple line? And forgive my ignorance, but why would it take 6 years to open the first portion of the Silver Line?
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Old June 20th, 2007, 12:12 AM   #53
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I think because they have to start fresh. There are no existing bridges or something that can be used to make do so they have to build everything from scratch.Stations,parking lots,and of course the bridges and rails all of these have to be built and im assuming those arent easily completed in a few years time. But im just guessing so dont take it exactly cause i may be wrong.
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Very few people are opposed to the project. The controversy is whether it will be an elevated line or a subway through Tysons Corner.

It will be an el.

By the way, I'm on the Advisory Committee for the Transportation Planning Board. Any questions on DC area transportation, shoot them my way.

OK, I guess its because when I read "The Exeminer", they give a lot of negative view of the project. Do you know why are they so concentrated on trashing it almost every day in that paper???
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Any renderings of stations or anything like that? It would be cool to see if they're going to do anything grand architecturally at the airport (it would complement the airport afterall). Where will they be running the line? Will it be down the center of the toll road (I at least vaguely remember a large grassy median strip), or off to one side?
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Very few people are opposed to the project. The controversy is whether it will be an elevated line or a subway through Tysons Corner.

It will be an el.
Why does it have to go underground? What important stuff will be demolished if it goes above?
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Old June 20th, 2007, 05:15 AM   #57
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It'd be great to have it, but I really think the area around Tyson's should be underground.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 08:48 PM   #58
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>What about the purple line?
What about it? The Purple Line’s problems are political. Ehrlich had no desire to build it at all, but couldn’t say that publicly, so he just let it sit. O’Malley wants it built, but will have to tell the Chevy Chase Country Club folks to shove it first.

> And forgive my ignorance, but why would it take 6 years to open the first portion of the Silver Line?
Not only do they have to build everything from scratch, but they have to do it while making sure all the roads in Tysons stay open and (relatively) free flowing in the mean time. It’s an incredibly difficult job.

>when I read "The Exeminer", they give a lot of negative view of the project. Do you know why are they so concentrated on trashing it almost every day in that paper???
I don’t read the Examiner (don’t need a newspaper from San Francisco to tell me about local Washington issues), but my guess is that it’s the same reason the suburban Maryland Gazette newspapers are always so overwhelmingly pro ICC: That’s what their advertising sponsors tell them to say.

I can’t think of a single person who is against more transit in Tysons Corner. The only arguments anyone is taking the least bit seriously as over what form it should take (and that argument is over). Even the road lobby think tanks say we should build BRT.

>Any renderings of stations or anything like that?
See below.

> It would be cool to see if they're going to do anything grand architecturally at the airport (it would complement the airport afterall)
The airport station will be underground and will basically look like all the other underground Metro stations in DC.

>Where will they be running the line? Will it be down the center of the toll road (I at least vaguely remember a large grassy median strip), or off to one side?
It will be in the middle of the toll road except in Tysons Corner (where it will be elevated above Chain Bridge Road and Leesburg Pike) and at the Airport (where it will loop off the highway and connect with the terminal).

>Why does it have to go underground? What important stuff will be demolished if it goes above?
It doesn’t *have* to go underground. Nothing of consequence will be demolished to make way for it. The point of the line in Tysons Corner is to make it possible to transform Tysons Corner into a more traditional walkable downtown, like Ballston or Rosslyn, and an underground alignment would be more pedestrian friendly.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 08:59 PM   #59
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Here are some pictures:

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Here are exterior views of the various Tysons Corner stations. TOD will come to surround all the stations, but will be difficult because pedestrians will have to cross a bridge to get from surrounding parcels into the station.








This is the park and ride station at the end of the line for the first phase, in the eastern part of Reston:

Some station interiors. Note the square floor tiles, which WMATA will be using for all new stations from now on:






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Old June 20th, 2007, 10:31 PM   #60
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If I remember correctly the tunnels for the Silver line through Dulles Airport have already been built during the last remodeling some years ago. Is this true?
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