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Old April 13th, 2006, 08:44 PM   #61
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909, I've erased my last point before you've written your stuff, you're indeed right in saying multiple cities will share power in a more globalized world. But the stuff Peyre wrote was so silly !
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Old April 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM   #62
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Ok, i will erase my point.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 08:52 PM   #64
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Old April 13th, 2006, 08:54 PM   #65
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Okay enough of off-topic chat. Let's talk back about the new skyscraper for Bishopsgate.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 08:56 PM   #66
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I agree. But let's get back on the track: when can we expect the renderings of this new tower?
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:25 PM   #67
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when can we expect the renderings of this new tower?
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #68
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  • New York, hosting the UN, having no political influences ? All countries in the world have at least a consulate in New York City !
  • London population overtaking the one of New York ? You can't be serious ! Firstly, the Greater London is nearly twice larger than New York City in area. Secondly, the 820 kmē of NYC are more populated than the 1,580 kmē of the Greater London (8 million in NYC, 7.2 million in GL). Finally, in an area the size of the Greater London, there are 10 million people ! New York is more peopled, denser, and according to demographic long-range trend has better chances to grow faster.
Sorry to sound harsh, but please be more reasonable.
erm and London doesn't have embassies, consulates etc?

The UN? You mean the organisation that won't sanction the US to do anything because nobody else agrees with them. The organisation where political power is seperated out on a global scale? An organisation that non of the big players pay attention too, the organisation which is corrupt and knee deep in questionable activities.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #69
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New York, hosting the UN, having no political influences ?
The UN Building is in international territory, it's not part of New York.

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[*]London population overtaking the one of New York ? You can't be serious ! Firstly, the Greater London is nearly twice larger than New York City in area. Secondly, the 820 kmē of NYC are more populated than the 1,580 kmē of the Greater London (8 million in NYC, 7.2 million in GL). Finally, in an area the size of the Greater London, there are 10 million people ! New York is more peopled, denser, and according to demographic long-range trend has better chances to grow faster.[/list]Sorry to sound harsh, but please be more reasonable.
If current growth rates were to continue, then London's population would eventually overtake New York's.
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Another thing - London has the Houses of Parliament, and is the capital city of England.

New York isn't the capital of America.
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I would agree with you there. London has the edge over New York NOW because London contains vast Financial (more so than new york), Cultural (maybe less so) Sport, Transportation and Political power. The latter being the weakness in New York. London's Population is also set to overtake NewYork and is also now more cosmopolitan. The true crossroad between West and East

London was pretty poor in the Post War era the 60's, 70's etc. Only now is it starting to get back on its feet.

Back on topic, and yes 2007 is gonna be so exciting. Lets hope 2006 passes quickly, without getting nuked by Iran
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:32 PM   #72
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  • New York, hosting the UN, having no political influences ? All countries in the world have at least a consulate in New York City !
  • London population overtaking the one of New York ? You can't be serious ! Firstly, the Greater London is nearly twice larger than New York City in area. Secondly, the 820 kmē of NYC are more populated than the 1,580 kmē of the Greater London (8 million in NYC, 7.2 million in GL). Finally, in an area the size of the Greater London, there are 10 million people ! New York is more peopled, denser, and according to demographic long-range trend has better chances to grow faster.
Sorry to sound harsh, but please be more reasonable.
Take a look at my signature and be educated

New York has more people, yet London still has the upper-hand in finance.

Londons growthrate is much faster than that of New York's and is expected to be that way until 2016 when they calculate the figures again.

Which is why London is incorporating High-rise living in the financial destrict, with the project that this thread is about!
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:42 PM   #73
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Better renders will be available soon.

Maybe if some knew the architects, they could go on their site and check if the building is on it. Im sure better renders will be available there?
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:54 PM   #75
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erm and London doesn't have embassies, consulates etc?
You've told the political power in New York was inexistant. This is plainly wrong. You can be 500 jingoist Brits to despise NYC, that won't reduce its very strong political influence.

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Another thing - London has the Houses of Parliament, and is the capital city of England.

New York isn't the capital of America.
Right. Valletta is the capital city of Malta. Does that mean that Valletta is more influential than NYC when it goes about political power ? Certainly not. Of course the UK is more powerful than Malta but being the seat of international organizations is very important for the political influence of a city.

In Switzerland, Geneva is certainly more politically influential than the capital city Bern simply because it hosts the WTO, the WHO, the UNHCR, the Red Cross, the CERN and multiple other international organizations. If New York hosts so many countries consulates, it's essentially because NYC is the seat of the United Nations. Now I'm not surprised by the fact you don't want to recognize this.

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New York has more people, yet London still has the upper-hand in finance. Case closed!

Londons growthrate is much faster than that of New York's and is expected to be that way until 2016 when they calculate the figures again.

Which is why London is incorporating High-rise living in the financial destrict.
So what ? Finance is only a part of a city economy. London has no industry anymore. Nothing. Cities such as Tokyo, Paris or New York have kept a major significance in the industrial sector. Doest that mean that London doesn't deserve to the be in the top 4 of world cities ? Certainly not. It's not because Brazil has won 5 World Cups that it means Brazil is the first superpower in the world.
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You've told the political power in New York was inexistant. This is plainly wrong. You can be 500 jingoist Brits to despise NYC, that won't reduce its very strong political influence.
No one despises New York, they are just saying. Sure New York has political influence, but not as much as London, which basically ruled the world and was the best city for a long time. unlike places like Rome, who never regained the dominance, London Is regaining it's dominance as the worlds most powerfull city
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In Switzerland, Geneva is certainly more politically influential than the capital city Bern simply because it hosts the WTO, the WHO, the UNHCR, the Red Cross, the CERN and multiple other international organizations. If New York hosts so many countries consulates, it's essentially because NYC is the seat of the United Nations. Now I'm not surprised by the fact you don't want to recognize this.
As said before, the only thing the UN has to do with New York is that it's HQ building is there.
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No one despises New York, they are just saying. Sure New York has political influence, but not as much as London, which basically ruled the world and was the best city for a long time. unlike places like Rome, who never regained the dominance, London Is regaining it's dominance as the worlds most powerfull city
A 150m tower has been announced in London and all of a sudden London will rule the world.

Sorry to break your fantasy but that's pure crap.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 10:23 PM   #79
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So what ? Finance is only a part of a city economy. London has no industry anymore. Nothing. Cities such as Tokyo, Paris or New York have kept a major significance in the industrial sector. Doest that mean that London doesn't deserve to the be in the top 4 of world cities ? Certainly not. It's not because Brazil has won 5 World Cups that it means Brazil is the first superpower in the world.
IMO Finance is one of the most important things that makes a city so powerful, well thats a given isnt it?

Do you want to know who thinks London will become the worlds first city again? New Yorkers. Business men from New York were quoted in the news saying something like: "People go to New York to do business in America, They go to Tokyo to do bussiness in China. But they go to London to business with the rest of the world."

Love that quote. And, as I said, It's from a New Yorker. It also stated that people from New York prefer London to New York, and that many more Businesses will be moving over to London.
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A 150m tower has been announced in London and all of a sudden London will rule the world.

Sorry to break your fantasy but that's pure crap.
Actually mate, The fact that London is becoming the worlds most powerfull city once more has nothing to do with this proposal, I dont even know why we are having this conversation. One of the main reasons London is overtaking New York is the one I posted above. It aint crap, Its real, sorry if you dont like it.
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