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Old April 13th, 2006, 10:26 PM   #81
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Oh and I think the tower is more like 180m. Just sayin...
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Old April 13th, 2006, 10:30 PM   #82
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damn straight

Sorry London is THE financial mecca/vatican, and the saying goes, money makes the world go round. It was doing its thing years before New York and British money helped to establish New York.

London is a city of a Kingdom comprising of 60m people. The UK would fit into the US several times over, and the population is vastly much larger at 298,509,000.

Well it puts it into perspective that we even compare the city's
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:23 PM   #83
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Lets just ignore metropolitan.

On with the thread. This thread has developed to be extremely corrupted owing to metropolitan’s amateurish and incompetent arguments. “London has no industry”, give me a break!
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:33 PM   #84
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I remember his trolling from City vs City. Thank God we abolished that section.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:37 PM   #85
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tut.. tut.. tut..

I just want to justify my argument quickly, sorry for this but...

Metropolitan,Read this Article
Others might find it interesting too
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:37 PM   #86
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5 pages and none of them about this tower proposal ,this is sad.

Cant you guys just stop talking about anything else then this new prop.???
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:39 PM   #87
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Me and Wjfox have tried to restore the thread many-a-time

I announce the thread, Restored!
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:46 PM   #88
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #89
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5 pages and none of them about this tower proposal ,this is sad.

Cant you guys just stop talking about anything else then this new prop.???
To be honest, there isnt much known about the tower yet, only the location, a small render, approxiamate 181m height, The fact it will stand by an already U/C 164m tower, and that it is by one of the most inspirational architects in the world

Of course, more info and renders will come in the next couple of months, and it should be amazing as it's Norman Foster
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #90
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Wrong link...
indeed... Still interestin though!
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #91
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Dont be put off by the dat "Nov. 7 '05", remember thats only some 5 months young. Looking at the statistics, they arent exactly going to change in that short time. Maybe more like 5 years or a decade... but not in now
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Old April 14th, 2006, 12:11 AM   #92
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Anyway, I hope the best for that tower.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 12:36 AM   #93
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Thanks, nice to hear. It should be a great design with Foster at the helm
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Old April 14th, 2006, 12:51 AM   #94
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You've told the political power in New York was inexistant. This is plainly wrong. You can be 500 jingoist Brits to despise NYC, that won't reduce its very strong political influence.

Right. Valletta is the capital city of Malta. Does that mean that Valletta is more influential than NYC when it goes about political power ? Certainly not. Of course the UK is more powerful than Malta but being the seat of international organizations is very important for the political influence of a city.

In Switzerland, Geneva is certainly more politically influential than the capital city Bern simply because it hosts the WTO, the WHO, the UNHCR, the Red Cross, the CERN and multiple other international organizations. If New York hosts so many countries consulates, it's essentially because NYC is the seat of the United Nations. Now I'm not surprised by the fact you don't want to recognize this.

So what ? Finance is only a part of a city economy. London has no industry anymore. Nothing. Cities such as Tokyo, Paris or New York have kept a major significance in the industrial sector. Doest that mean that London doesn't deserve to the be in the top 4 of world cities ? Certainly not. It's not because Brazil has won 5 World Cups that it means Brazil is the first superpower in the world.
I think the term people were looking for is sovereignty - New York has no sovereignty over New York State (Albany), the US or any other territories. London and Paris on the other hand not only have territories dotted around the globe, but are active political forces with global ramifications. If you have sovereignty you have political power - New York doesn't have this to the extent of other cities.

The UN quite simply is a forum - not a political chamber. Yet New York does have a political system that is in a) the form of the administrative control over the city and b) the UN as a debating centre. Political-related activities do take place, but no way to the extent that they would in say London, Paris, Tokyo, etc...

There are countless examples around the world where the capital isn't necessarily the biggest city around. In powerhouses like London and Paris though, you end up with a new tier of control.

Incorrect - Although London has seen a decline in 'dirty' industries, it has seen a rapid increase in niche market/high-order speciality manufacturing and high-tech industries. It so appens that largest advanced industries concentration in Europe is in the Oxford-Cambridge Arc which is you guessed it between Oxford, Cambridge and London. You see, you can still have industry - but in a different form, ie it doesn't have to be car manufacturing or big old factories.

On the other hand, the number employed in financial and business services has rocketed and the UK service sector is now the 2nd largest in the world (and only just half that of the US). More people are employed in financial services in London than in New York and finance is clearly the most advanced form of sector to be in other than specific sectors like R&D and academic circles - areas which again London and the UK generally perform pretty well at. If anything, the model of London will be mirrored by Paris in the coming years as the unions begin to loose their hold over France.

And yes at current known trends London will overtake New York's population - its currently growing at around 2x the rate of New York and is absorbing 2x more immigrants than New York and even more than Los Angeles.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 12:55 AM   #95
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lol. Metropolitan, your signature, showing the GDP of London and New York, is wrong. You really are funny. You should correct it before everyone thinks your very dumb
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I think the term people were looking for is sovereignty - New York has no sovereignty over New York State (Albany), the US or any other territories. London and Paris on the other hand not only have territories dotted around the globe, but are active political forces with global ramifications. If you have sovereignty you have political power - New York doesn't have this to the extent of other cities.

The UN quite simply is a forum - not a political chamber. Yet New York does have a political system that is in a) the form of the administrative control over the city and b) the UN as a debating centre. Political-related activities do take place, but no way to the extent that they would in say London, Paris, Tokyo, etc...

There are countless examples around the world where the capital isn't necessarily the biggest city around. In powerhouses like London and Paris though, you end up with a new tier of control.

Incorrect - Although London has seen a decline in 'dirty' industries, it has seen a rapid increase in niche market/high-order speciality manufacturing and high-tech industries. It so appens that largest advanced industries concentration in Europe is in the Oxford-Cambridge Arc which is you guessed it between Oxford, Cambridge and London. You see, you can still have industry - but in a different form, ie it doesn't have to be car manufacturing or big old factories.

On the other hand, the number employed in financial and business services has rocketed and the UK service sector is now the 2nd largest in the world (and only just half that of the US). More people are employed in financial services in London than in New York and finance is clearly the most advanced form of sector to be in other than specific sectors like R&D and academic circles - areas which again London and the UK generally perform pretty well at. If anything, the model of London will be mirrored by Paris in the coming years as the unions begin to loose their hold over France.

And yes at current known trends London will overtake New York's population - its currently growing at around 2x the rate of New York and is absorbing 2x more immigrants than New York and even more than Los Angeles.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 12:59 AM   #97
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I wonder why he didn't add the Paris GDP
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Old April 14th, 2006, 01:04 AM   #98
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If current growth rates were to continue, then London's population would eventually overtake New York's.
Well, let's look at the real figures. Here you can find the official population figures for Greater London at the 2001 UK census: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/H.asp

Between the 1991 census and 2001 census the population of Greater London went from 6,829,291 to 7,172,091. That's a 5.0% increase for these 10 years, i.e 0.49% growth rate per annum.

Here you can see the official population figure for New York City at the 2000 US census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-2.pdf

Between the 1990 census and 2000 census the population of New York City went from 7,322,564 to 8,008,278. That's a 9.4% increase for these 10 years, i.e 0.9% growth rate per annum, almost double that of Greater London.

Sorry to shatter some dreams, but figures show that NYC's population is growing at a higher rate than Greater London.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 01:06 AM   #99
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Oh my...Metropolitan is really polluting every single thread these days....what about banning him for a while?

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For ****'s sake. This thread has turned to shit.
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