daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old July 14th, 2007, 03:35 PM   #301
vid
Registered User
 
vid's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 13,364
Likes (Received): 921

SWEET!!
__________________
winnipeg (06/12 - 09/12) + other photos / random things
So many thorns. Not enough sides.
vid no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old July 24th, 2007, 10:34 AM   #302
isaidso
the new republic
 
isaidso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The United Provinces of America
Posts: 29,744
Likes (Received): 10966

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirageBistro View Post
Now that is true! Germany, powerful and rich.
Powerful? Yes. Rich? Sort of. You haven't been keeping up to date. Germany isn't even in the top 20 in per capita income any more.
isaidso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 24th, 2007, 10:46 AM   #303
vid
Registered User
 
vid's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 13,364
Likes (Received): 921

Germany is the third (soon to be fourth) largest economy in the world. Lichtenstein may have a lot of people making 50,000$ a year, but their GDP is what, 2 billion? :P
__________________
winnipeg (06/12 - 09/12) + other photos / random things
So many thorns. Not enough sides.
vid no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 24th, 2007, 11:01 AM   #304
isaidso
the new republic
 
isaidso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The United Provinces of America
Posts: 29,744
Likes (Received): 10966

You are confusing GDP with wealth. It is a common mistake made by alot of people. China is still very poor, but it's GDP is by most measures already #3 behind the USA and Japan, and will be #2 very soon. Germany has a smaller GDP than China, but are many times wealthier than the Chinese. The Germans, however, certainly are not rich relative to the citzens of the truly rich nations. 25 years ago they were, but not any more. They have fallen quite far.

Departments of Business Administration and Departments of Economics at universities differentiate between the two because they are completely different measures. A nation's ability to finance infrastructure does depend somewhat on GDP, but it is a massive innaccuracy to label a nation rich based solely on GDP.

Last edited by isaidso; July 24th, 2007 at 11:07 AM.
isaidso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 25th, 2007, 08:50 AM   #305
vid
Registered User
 
vid's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 13,364
Likes (Received): 921

Wow, Germany is a poor country! They are, per capita, 1200 dollars poorer than Canadians. They're so destitute!

And yet in Canada, we have this. And lots like it. Funny.

You'd think that would be more common in Germany... a poor country.
__________________
winnipeg (06/12 - 09/12) + other photos / random things
So many thorns. Not enough sides.
vid no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 25th, 2007, 09:04 AM   #306
isaidso
the new republic
 
isaidso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The United Provinces of America
Posts: 29,744
Likes (Received): 10966

I disagree with you totally. Germany is not a poor country at all. IMF statistics adjusted for US dollars in 2006 estimate German GDP per capita at $35,204 which puts them at #19. Certainly not amongst the world's rich nations like the USA ($44,190), Norway ($72,306), or Ireland ($52,440), etc. but hardly poor and destitute like you contend.

I do agree with you on one point: Canada at $38,951 for #15 isn't doing much better. There was a time that we were 30-40% wealthier than the Germans, but look how far we've fallen. We'd better get competitive in a hurry, or we'll fall to German levels of wealth.

Even GDP per capita at PPP doesn't paint an impressive picture for the once mighty Germans: $31,095 for #19 place once again. Canada fairs marginally better by this more accurate measure: $35,494 for #9. I was wrong when I said Germany wasn't even in the top 20. Seems like they've just squeeked in at #19. I stand corrected.

I wish we had more in common with Germany when it came to infrastructure though. They really invest in it and maintain it better than us. Some Germans complain about their roads and transit, but they would be gobsmacked if they saw what most Canadians are satisfied with.

Last edited by isaidso; July 25th, 2007 at 09:45 AM.
isaidso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 25th, 2007, 12:42 PM   #307
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,582
Likes (Received): 19370

Income per capita doesn't says everything. It's more interesting what you can do with that money. Like you have an income of 72.000 dollars, but prices are much higher than countries with 30.000 dollars of income.
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2007, 05:58 AM   #308
isaidso
the new republic
 
isaidso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The United Provinces of America
Posts: 29,744
Likes (Received): 10966

Chris1491: very true. As I stated, GNP ALONE does not give one the entire picture. One of the constraints in Canada isn't the money alloted to highways, but the sheer magnitude of highways Canada has needed to build to connect the towns and cities together from east to west. When you consider that from Atlantic to Pacific, Canada is wider than the Atlantic Ocean, you start to appreciate the monster task at hand for a country of only 32 million.

Not only highways, but railways, seaways, ports, electricity grids, etc. It is a huge financial burden. I'm surprised that some of the highways are in as good shape as they are.
isaidso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 9th, 2007, 09:11 PM   #309
Deus Ex
Big Bob
 
Deus Ex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 236
Likes (Received): 0

Hell Yeah!

USA is so full of good roads, no wonder its also full of rules.
Deus Ex no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 10th, 2007, 10:38 PM   #310
vid
Registered User
 
vid's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 13,364
Likes (Received): 921

Talking back to GDP per capita last night, the province with the highest GDP per capita in Canada isn't Alberta or Ontario... It's Northwest Territories. Using your logic, the NWT would be the richest parts of Canada, even though it has some of the worse living conditions.

They don't get to keep their natural resources revenue though.
__________________
winnipeg (06/12 - 09/12) + other photos / random things
So many thorns. Not enough sides.
vid no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2007, 10:19 PM   #311
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,582
Likes (Received): 19370

European Union;

[IMG]http://i1.************/6bkvfkj.png[/IMG]
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old September 20th, 2007, 10:43 PM   #312
isaidso
the new republic
 
isaidso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The United Provinces of America
Posts: 29,744
Likes (Received): 10966

Quote:
Originally Posted by vid View Post
Talking back to GDP per capita last night, the province with the highest GDP per capita in Canada isn't Alberta or Ontario... It's Northwest Territories. Using your logic, the NWT would be the richest parts of Canada, even though it has some of the worse living conditions.

They don't get to keep their natural resources revenue though.
First of all the Northwest Territories isn't a province. Secondly, read up on what PPP means before you make silly comparisons. You equated size of an economy with wealth. That is what is being questioned here. GDP per capita is a much better indicator because it strips out population. You have failed to take into account PPP in making your NWT comparison. If you feel that the size of an economy is a good indicator of the wealth of people, go ahead. No one can tell you any different, if you aren't open to information.

Last edited by isaidso; September 21st, 2007 at 12:57 AM.
isaidso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 21st, 2007, 08:55 AM   #313
Jeroen669
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 787
Likes (Received): 13

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris1491 View Post
European Union;

[IMG]http://i1.************/6bkvfkj.png[/IMG]
And now the amount of motorways compared to the population. I would think those numbers would be much worse for eg the Netherlands, Belgium and Swiss.
Jeroen669 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2007, 10:37 PM   #314
Wallaroo
Registered User
 
Wallaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 126
Likes (Received): 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by OettingerCroat View Post
Expressway: Defined as at a highway with at least two lanes and at least one shoulder. Must have a median between the two directions.

United States of America:
total: 6,407,637 km
paved: 4,164,964 km (including 74,950 km of expressways)
unpaved: 2,242,673 km (2004)

you guys want to find the number of EXPRESSWAYS, the underlined number above. The huge 6,000,000 km thing is simply the amount of highways, defined as "any important automobile transit route."

phillipines has very, very few kilometers of motorways. Not simply because it's not a wealthy country, but because there are 8200 islands in the country.

anyways back to the numbers:

United States of America:
total: 6,407,637 km
paved: 4,164,964 km (including 74,950 km of expressways)
unpaved: 2,242,673 km (2004)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.5 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 8.25 km

People's Republic of China:
total: 1,809,829 km
paved: 1,447,682 km (with at least 29,745 km of expressways)
unpaved: 362,147 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .23 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 3.23 km

India:
total: 3,851,440 km
paved: 2,411,001 km
unpaved: 1,440,439 km (2002)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: no official data, but obviously lower than China
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: same as above

Canada:
total: 1,408,900 km
paved: 497,342 km (including 16,906 km of expressways)
unpaved: 911,558 km (2002)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 5.67 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 1.87 km

Russia:
total: 537,289 km
paved: 362,133 km
unpaved: 175,156 km (2001)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: Very low, might not even be 2,500 km of expressways in Russia. I'd say far below Indian levels.
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: same as above

Germany:
total: 231,581 km
paved: 231,581 km (including 12,037 km of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.6 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 37.14 km

France:
total: 891,290 km
paved: 891,290 km (including 10,390 km of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.8 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 20.4 km

United Kingdom:
total: 387,674 km
paved: 387,674 km (including 3,523 km of expressways) (2004)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .667 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 16.67 km

Italy:
total: 479,688 km
paved: 479,688 km (including 6,620 km of expressways) (1999)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.20 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 24.14 km

Spain:
total: 666,292 km
paved: 659,629 km (including 12,009 km of expressways)
unpaved: 6,663 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 3.375 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 27 km

Poland:
total: 423,997 km
paved: 295,356 km (including 484 km of expressways)
unpaved: 128,641 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .143 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 1.83 km

Romania:
total: 198,817 km
paved: 60,043 km (including 228 km of expressways)
unpaved: 138,774 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .098 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: .957 km

Turkey:
total: 354,421 km
paved: 147,404 km (including 1,883 km of expressways)
unpaved: 207,017 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .261 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 2.44 km
**plz turks, do not come here and yell at me because "turkey actually has eleventy billion kilometers of expressways," im using CIA figures for all countries**

Greece:
total: 116,470 km
paved: 106,920 km (including 880 km of expressways)
unpaved: 9,550 km (1999)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.41 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 11.54 km
**same goes for you, greeks; just to calm you, i did the two calculations with 1,500 km of motorways because if I didn't hideously exaggerate the number, the way you guys always do, you'd complain**

the Netherlands:
total: 116,500 km
paved: 104,850 km (including 2,235 km of expressways)
unpaved: 11,650 km (1999)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.41 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 75 km

Belgium:
total: 149,757 km
paved: 117,110 km (including 1,747 km of expressways)
unpaved: 32,647 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.8 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 60 km

Denmark:
total: 71,847 km
paved: 71,847 km (including 920 km of expressways) (2002)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.85 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 23.3 km

Czech Republic:
total: 127,672 km
paved: 127,672 km (including 618 km of expressways) (2006)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .61 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: .802 km

Slovenia:
total: 38,400 km
paved: 38,400 km (including 479 km of expressways) (2006)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.40 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 24.0 km

Croatia:
total: 28,588 km
paved: 28,588 km (including 1,047 km of expressways) (2006)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.33 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 19.1 km

Austria:
total: 133,718 km
paved: 133,718 km (including 1,677 km of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.125 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 20.48 km

Switzerland:
total: 71,220 km
paved: 71,220 km (including 1,726 of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.4 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 45


TO SUMMARIZE:

WORLD:
Nation with greatest amount of expressways: USA
Nation with most kilometers of expressways per capita: the Netherlands
Nation with highest density of expressway: the Netherlands
Nation with most expressways per entire GDP: Croatia
Major Global Power with LOWEST density of expressways: USA

N. America (Canada, USA):
km's per capita: Canada
density: Canada
km/GDP: Canada

EU-15 Large Countries (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain):
km's per capita: Spain
density: Germany
km/GDP: Spain

EU-15 Little Countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Greece, Denmark, + Switzerland):
km's per capita: the Netherlands
density: the Netherlands
don't get too awed by the Netherlands, the country is flat as a board
km/GDP: Greece

E. Europe (Croatia, Poland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Romania, Turkey):
km's per captia: Slovenia or Croatia
density: Slovenia
km/GDP: Croatia

yes i assembled this entire post myself.
Very nice homework dude!

So Canada is the country in the world with most expressways per citizen. I might add that Denmark (as we speak) have at least 1100 km of expressways, which means that only Austria, Switzerland, and Luxemburg have more per citizen here in Europe.

I am amazed that the UK only have 3523 km - those poor fools!
Wallaroo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2007, 02:05 AM   #315
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallaroo View Post
Very nice homework dude!

So Canada is the country in the world with most expressways per citizen. I might add that Denmark (as we speak) have at least 1100 km of expressways, which means that only Austria, Switzerland, and Luxemburg have more per citizen here in Europe.
And Spain, Slovenia and Croatia.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallaroo View Post
I am amazed that the UK only have 3523 km - those poor fools!
The UK has many roads with motorway standards - A(M) - and expressways (A). And what's with the "fools"?!
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2007, 02:22 AM   #316
Wallaroo
Registered User
 
Wallaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 126
Likes (Received): 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verso View Post
And Spain, Slovenia and Croatia.
Ah yes, I forgot about them - times changes rapidily in Eastern Europe. But Spain does not have near that many motorways (officially) on the European road maps that Ive seen. Most of them have status as dual carriageways, and it seems to be more than 80% of the network.
Wallaroo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2007, 02:28 AM   #317
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

You're talking about "autovía"s. There's no technical difference between "autovía"s and "autopista"s (especially newer autovías). The only difference is that autopista is charged, whereas autovía is toll-free.
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2007, 02:43 AM   #318
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallaroo View Post
Ah yes, I forgot about them - times changes rapidily in Eastern Europe.
Actually Slovenia and Croatia are world of their own, when it comes to density of motorways, (other) Eastern European countries have yet to catch us.
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2007, 07:52 PM   #319
rick1016
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Toronto / Melbourne
Posts: 1,644
Likes (Received): 15

Canada...yeah!!
rick1016 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 27th, 2007, 12:44 AM   #320
Nephasto
Enlightened user
 
Nephasto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Porto
Posts: 5,802
Likes (Received): 71

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verso View Post
And Spain, Slovenia and Croatia.

The UK has many roads with motorway standards - A(M) - and expressways (A). And what's with the "fools"?!
I'm sure the A(M) are included in those 3523 km's, as they are full motorways.

As for the A's which are dual carrieageways, those are VERY far away from having motorway standards! Plaged by roundabouts, no emergency lanes, etc...

I've been in the UK this summer and all I can say is that their road network is really poor. Even the motorways, although they are very good (with 2x3 all the way) are always jammed.

Don't take this as an attack on the UK: it's a beautifull country, and I like it very much... just not the road network.
__________________
Long live rail freight!!
Nephasto no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium