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Old September 27th, 2007, 02:09 PM   #321
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Then it's true that their motorway network rather sucks.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 01:40 AM   #322
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I'm sure the A(M) are included in those 3523 km's, as they are full motorways.

As for the A's which are dual carrieageways, those are VERY far away from having motorway standards! Plaged by roundabouts, no emergency lanes, etc...

I've been in the UK this summer and all I can say is that their road network is really poor. Even the motorways, although they are very good (with 2x3 all the way) are always jammed.

Don't take this as an attack on the UK: it's a beautifull country, and I like it very much... just not the road network.
Maybe its because the Brits are actually smarter than the rest of us. They found out long time ago that investing in new motorways only mean more cars - at least thats the governments argument for not building more of them. The UK may have a theoretical need for at least 10.000 km of motorways, but its simply not worth the money and effort.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 08:35 AM   #323
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Maybe its because the Brits are actually smarter than the rest of us. They found out long time ago that investing in new motorways only mean more cars - at least thats the governments argument for not building more of them. The UK may have a theoretical need for at least 10.000 km of motorways, but its simply not worth the money and effort.
The only problem with the UK is that they haven't spent multitudes on the rail network whilst neglecting the road network. European countries in general invest far FAR more in both networks resulting in almost total mobility by whatever means the population demands (road/rail et al).
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Old September 29th, 2007, 05:51 PM   #324
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I'd calculated the amount of freeway-grade roads in the United States, with the newest RandMcNally Road Atlas 2008. It was quite a lot of work, containing over 1400 lines in Excel spreadsheet.

I haven't got the exact number, that's on my laptop, but the amount was close to 96.000 kilometer
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Old September 30th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #325
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The exact number is 59.414 miles or 95.597 kilometers, including all states and the district of Columbia, but not Puerto Rico and other overseas territories (which don't have freeways anyway, i thought).
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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:42 PM   #326
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Would that be much compared to the population, or to the surface?
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Old September 30th, 2007, 08:17 PM   #327
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Yeah, US has 300 mln population and 96.000 km of motorway
Germany has 80 mln population and 12.500 km of motorway

You do the math.

But US population is much centered along larger cities, and has long lone distances in the west, so long, we can't imagine such distances in Europe (except Russia perhaps).
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Old October 1st, 2007, 10:25 PM   #328
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Canada...yeah!!
LOL it doesnt evn have one expressway throug the whole country...the only highways are around toronto and montreal,together maybe 2000km but not more(at least measured by the european standarts!)
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 04:01 AM   #329
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LOL it doesnt evn have one expressway throug the whole country...the only highways are around toronto and montreal,together maybe 2000km but not more(at least measured by the european standarts!)
Not accurate. There are about 17,000km worth of expressways in Canada. They are mostly where the population is. You don't need a 4-lane highway (or even a paved road in many cases) in many areas of the north. Having said this, however, it is true that Canada's expressway network could be much better. And yes, there is indeed no expressway through the whole country, which is also somewhat unfortunate (but not necessarily a concern having the highest priority at the moment). We can always use the US interstate system to cross the country, if we need to
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 04:44 AM   #330
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Not accurate. There are about 17,000km worth of expressways in Canada. They are mostly where the population is. You don't need a 4-lane highway (or even a paved road in many cases) in many areas of the north. Having said this, however, it is true that Canada's expressway network could be much better. And yes, there is indeed no expressway through the whole country, which is also somewhat unfortunate (but not necessarily a concern having the highest priority at the moment). We can always use the US interstate system to cross the country, if we need to
It would make Canada look a lot better on a road map if they had a coast to coast freeway.

Is the speed limit still only 100 km/h?
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 06:10 AM   #331
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It would make Canada look a lot better on a road map if they had a coast to coast freeway.

Is the speed limit still only 100 km/h?
In Ontario it is 100km/h, in some provinces it is 110km/h.
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 12:33 PM   #332
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Surprisingly to foreigners, the least substantial highways connecting east to west are in Ontario. Travelling east from Manitoba, the highway is one lane in each direction for well over 1000 km. This region, northern Ontario, is twice the size of France, but is home to only about 800,000 people. Ontario has, by far, the most inferior section of highway in a cross-Canada road trip. Ontario's expressways only serve the extreme south of the province rather than serving to connect the country together.

You can drive from Halifax, Nova Scotia on the Atlantic Ocean all the way through Quebec on an expressway with only small sections served by a less substantial road. Travelling from here through Ontario to western Canada is different story altogether. British Columbia on the Pacific Ocean is the only other major stretch with very little of it connected by expressway. The Rocky Mountains is the major reason this hasn't happened already.

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Old October 10th, 2007, 07:20 AM   #333
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I do NOT beleive for a minute that Canada has 17000 km of freeway..........I think even 5000 would be pushing it.
Is this freeway length or freeway lanes.....there is a big difference.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 11:39 AM   #334
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i guess 17.000 km of highway, which aren't necessarily all freeways...

Some articles also states Russia has 20.000km of motorway, which are in fact mostly national roads (magistrales).
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Old October 11th, 2007, 11:42 PM   #335
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Spain has 12.946 km of motorway roads.

This amount is growing steadily with over 100km each year.
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Old October 12th, 2007, 10:04 PM   #336
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12.942km?? are you sure its not 12,942km??
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Old October 12th, 2007, 10:12 PM   #337
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Wow, Germany is a poor country! They are, per capita, 1200 dollars poorer than Canadians. They're so destitute!

And yet in Canada, we have this. And lots like it. Funny.

You'd think that would be more common in Germany... a poor country.
What the heck are you on about?
Germany is the 3rd biggest economy in the world. The reason why weve fallen in terms of gdp per capita is solely down to the fact that western Germany had to absorb the communist GDR.

GDP per capita:

Germany (with absorbed communist east ): $35,072
Canada: $38,951

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Old October 12th, 2007, 10:22 PM   #338
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Expressway: Defined as at a highway with at least two lanes and at least one shoulder. Must have a median between the two directions.

United States of America:
total: 6,407,637 km
paved: 4,164,964 km (including 74,950 km of expressways)

unpaved: 2,242,673 km (2004)

you guys want to find the number of EXPRESSWAYS, the underlined number above. The huge 6,000,000 km thing is simply the amount of highways, defined as "any important automobile transit route."

phillipines has very, very few kilometers of motorways. Not simply because it's not a wealthy country, but because there are 8200 islands in the country.

anyways back to the numbers:

United States of America:
total: 6,407,637 km
paved: 4,164,964 km (including 74,950 km of expressways)
unpaved: 2,242,673 km (2004)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.5 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 8.25 km

People's Republic of China:
total: 1,809,829 km
paved: 1,447,682 km (with at least 29,745 km of expressways)
unpaved: 362,147 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .23 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 3.23 km

India:
total: 3,851,440 km
paved: 2,411,001 km
unpaved: 1,440,439 km (2002)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: no official data, but obviously lower than China
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: same as above

Canada:
total: 1,408,900 km
paved: 497,342 km (including 16,906 km of expressways)
unpaved: 911,558 km (2002)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 5.67 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 1.87 km

Russia:
total: 537,289 km
paved: 362,133 km
unpaved: 175,156 km (2001)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: Very low, might not even be 2,500 km of expressways in Russia. I'd say far below Indian levels.
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: same as above

Germany:
total: 231,581 km
paved: 231,581 km (including 12,037 km of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.6 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 37.14 km

France:
total: 891,290 km
paved: 891,290 km (including 10,390 km of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.8 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 20.4 km

United Kingdom:
total: 387,674 km
paved: 387,674 km (including 3,523 km of expressways) (2004)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .667 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 16.67 km

Italy:
total: 479,688 km
paved: 479,688 km (including 6,620 km of expressways) (1999)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.20 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 24.14 km

Spain:
total: 666,292 km
paved: 659,629 km (including 12,009 km of expressways)
unpaved: 6,663 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 3.375 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 27 km

Poland:
total: 423,997 km
paved: 295,356 km (including 484 km of expressways)
unpaved: 128,641 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .143 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 1.83 km

Romania:
total: 198,817 km
paved: 60,043 km (including 228 km of expressways)
unpaved: 138,774 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .098 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: .957 km

Turkey:
total: 354,421 km
paved: 147,404 km (including 1,883 km of expressways)
unpaved: 207,017 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .261 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 2.44 km
**plz turks, do not come here and yell at me because "turkey actually has eleventy billion kilometers of expressways," im using CIA figures for all countries**

Greece:
total: 116,470 km
paved: 106,920 km (including 880 km of expressways)
unpaved: 9,550 km (1999)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.41 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 11.54 km
**same goes for you, greeks; just to calm you, i did the two calculations with 1,500 km of motorways because if I didn't hideously exaggerate the number, the way you guys always do, you'd complain**

the Netherlands:
total: 116,500 km
paved: 104,850 km (including 2,235 km of expressways)
unpaved: 11,650 km (1999)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.41 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 75 km

Belgium:
total: 149,757 km
paved: 117,110 km (including 1,747 km of expressways)
unpaved: 32,647 km (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.8 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 60 km

Denmark:
total: 71,847 km
paved: 71,847 km (including 920 km of expressways) (2002)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 1.85 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 23.3 km

Czech Republic:
total: 127,672 km
paved: 127,672 km (including 618 km of expressways) (2006)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: .61 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: .802 km

Slovenia:
total: 38,400 km
paved: 38,400 km (including 479 km of expressways) (2006)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.40 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 24.0 km

Croatia:
total: 28,588 km
paved: 28,588 km (including 1,047 km of expressways) (2006)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.33 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 19.1 km

Austria:
total: 133,718 km
paved: 133,718 km (including 1,677 km of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.125 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 20.48 km

Switzerland:
total: 71,220 km
paved: 71,220 km (including 1,726 of expressways) (2003)
EXPRESSWAYS PER 10,000 PEOPLE: 2.4 km
EXPRESSWAYS PER 1000 SQ. KM OF LAND: 45


TO SUMMARIZE:

WORLD:
Nation with greatest amount of expressways: USA
Nation with most kilometers of expressways per capita: the Netherlands
Nation with highest density of expressway: the Netherlands
Nation with most expressways per entire GDP: Croatia
Major Global Power with LOWEST density of expressways: USA

N. America (Canada, USA):
km's per capita: Canada
density: Canada
km/GDP: Canada

EU-15 Large Countries (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain):
km's per capita: Spain
density: Germany
km/GDP: Spain

EU-15 Little Countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Greece, Denmark, + Switzerland):
km's per capita: the Netherlands
density: the Netherlands
don't get too awed by the Netherlands, the country is flat as a board
km/GDP: Greece

E. Europe (Croatia, Poland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Romania, Turkey):
km's per captia: Slovenia or Croatia
density: Slovenia
km/GDP: Croatia

yes i assembled this entire post myself.
That list is nonsense!
When it comes to highways Germany ranks 3rd behind the US and China

http://www.bmvbs.de/

As usual not all german highways have been compiled here such as federal highways etc..
Nobody in his right mind could claim that either France, Britain, Italy or Spain, (which gets its infrastructure funded by EU money coming mainly from Germany) have a bigger road- or highway network than Germany.
Even to think that Austria has half the number of highway km than Germany is utterly ludicrous.

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I am working to make a good list of which country has more expressways/motorways;

France: Autoroute + Voie Expresse
Germany: Autobahn + Gelbe Autobahn
Spain: Autopista + Autovía

All of them are in the high end 12.000km of these roads. Spain builds roads in a much faster pace as France or Germany, completing hundreds of kilometers annually. If Spain is not the 3rd in the world now, it will be soon.

Italy is out of the question, has much lesser Autostrada's and Superstrada's as the 3 countries mentioned above.

However, Spanish Autovías have the highest design standards today. Gelbe Autobahnen and Voie Expresses have usually a lower speed limit as their Autoroutes/Autobahnen. Autovías and Autopistas have the same speed limit.
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You are confusing GDP with wealth. It is a common mistake made by alot of people. China is still very poor, but it's GDP is by most measures already #3 behind the USA and Japan, and will be #2 very soon. Germany has a smaller GDP than China, but are many times wealthier than the Chinese. The Germans, however, certainly are not rich relative to the citzens of the truly rich nations. 25 years ago they were, but not any more. They have fallen quite far.
Chinas economy is still the 4th largest in the world with $2.68 trillion
Germany is the 3rd biggest with $2.89 trillion
And China is not expected to get past Japan before 2015 somewhen.
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