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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #361
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GNU, you're a troll.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:45 PM   #362
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So I guess we can conclude with this:

Length of highways:

1. USA
2. China
3. Germany

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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:47 PM   #363
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Yeah, its exactly the other way round here.
Spanish roads are being counted as freeways which wouldnt get that trademark in Germany.
This is a complete bullshit, and someone seems to be so in favor of Germany, adequate discussion isn't possible.


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Nonsense
Theyll never have a highway network that could compare to Germanys in terms of length.
Why dont you give us a source for your claim here?
Dude, things change. Youre ridiculous horny for Germany makes no sense. My source is already given.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:47 PM   #364
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GNU, you're a troll.
Why am I a troll now?
Ive given various sources which show that Germany has the most highway km in Europe. I guess thats enough for some people to call me a troll.
On the other hand none of you guys has provided me with a source that would support the claim that Spain has a bigger highway network.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #365
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So I guess we can conclude with this:

Length of highways:

1. USA
2. China
3. Germany

Old list. I'm compiling a new one right now, but it takes time, Google Earth, a map and calculator (Excel).
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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #366
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Dude, things change. Youre ridiculous horny for Germany makes no sense. My source is already given.
Where pls?
Im arguing on a rational basis here.
And Im right when I say that its nonsense to claim that Austria has a highway network that is half the size of Germanys or when, pray, some claim that Spains highwy network is bigger than Germanys.
It just doesnt make any sense!
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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #367
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Chris, I'll let you handle him.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 03:52 PM   #368
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Old list. I'm compiling a new one right now, but it takes time, Google Earth, a map and calculator (Excel).
So you would not trust the german government on this issue?
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Old October 13th, 2007, 04:06 PM   #369
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So you would not trust the german government on this issue?
Because that list is at least from 2006. Spain builds motorways much faster as Germany, over 560km this year, so it has overtaken Germany on the list. I'm not sure on France, i'm calculating it now.

Wikipedia stinks as a source, it's full of lists made by SSC-like guys who wants to make their country look better as it is.

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or when, pray, some claim that Spains highwy network is bigger than Germanys.
It just doesnt make any sense!
Why doesn't it make sense? Because Germany should have the biggest motorway network in your opinion?

It's just a matter of time, countries like India and Brazil are gonna overtake Germany too once.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 04:13 PM   #370
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Spain is really taking off. It has already passed Germany on the HDI stats, Madrids Airport is now hard on the heals of Amsterdam for Europes 4th possition, transport infrastructure is beiing developed at a much faster pace than most EU countries. All quite exciting really
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Old October 13th, 2007, 04:14 PM   #371
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It's just a matter of time, countries like India and Brazil are gonna overtake Germany too once.
And what about Canada? What's with those 15,000 km? I was never too convinced about that.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 04:21 PM   #372
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And what about Canada? What's with those 15,000 km? I was never too convinced about that.
Me neither.

Canada has a lot of grade intersectioned express roads. Those are 2x2 but don't have controlled acces. I guess those are taken into account. Again, SSC and Wikipedia are full of people who want to make their country looks better.

I also have seen unrealistic figures about Russia, Mexico, Australia and India.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 04:26 PM   #373
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I already encountered 3 different figures for Autoroute length on French wikipedia;

1) The Autoroute list
2) The Autoroute individual article
3) My calculating with the best French maps available (Michelin 1:200.000 atlas).

I am now following my own calculations, it takes more time, but Germany, Spain and France are quite close to eachother, i want to be sure.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 04:37 PM   #374
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GNU, never ever quote Wikipedia again and say afterwards it's settled. Anyone can edit their pages in a few seconds.
And as Chris said your german source is probably outdated.
And even if Germany has at the moment the 3rd largest motorway network in the world, Spain is very very close and will surpass is soon.
Just check a road map and look how many motorways under contruction there are in Spain and how many in Germany.
And yes Germany has a bigger population and more cars, but in Spain you need less daily traffic to build a motorway then in Germany. Noone questions that german motorways are on average busier than spanish one.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 05:45 PM   #375
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GNU, never ever quote Wikipedia again and say afterwards it's settled.
Youve obviously never read my posts properly since I not only gave two independent Wiki links but also a link from the german departement of transportation and city development which confirmed them.
see my previous posts.


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And as Chris said your german source is probably outdated.
And even if Germany has at the moment the 3rd largest motorway network in the world, Spain is very very close and will surpass is soon.
Just check a road map and look how many motorways under contruction there are in Spain and how many in Germany.
And yes Germany has a bigger population and more cars, but in Spain you need less daily traffic to build a motorway then in Germany. Noone questions that german motorways are on average busier than spanish one.
Cant anyone here give me source which says: "Spain has the highest amount of highway km in Europe?"
Thats all Im asking for really.
I do not doubt that Spain is building a lot these days, but theyre doing it becuase they didnt do it in the past unlike other countries.
Their infrastructure was not up to date which is a reason why the EU hands out generous funds to the spanish government.

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Old October 13th, 2007, 05:53 PM   #376
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Because that list is at least from 2006. Spain builds motorways much faster as Germany, over 560km this year, so it has overtaken Germany on the list. I'm not sure on France, i'm calculating it now.
So you claim that Spain has the highest amount of highway kms and that it has overtaken Germany.
The problem I have here is that: "you havent given a single source so far to back this claim up."

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Why doesn't it make sense? Because Germany should have the biggest motorway network in your opinion?
It has the biggest and densest motorway network because:

a: It has the biggest population in Europe
b: It has the highest amount of licensed cars
c: Its europes biggest economy and has been that since atleast the early 60s whereas Spain in contrast was a poor country until the 90s
d: Germany invested more money into its infrastructure than the other big countries in europe even during the 90s (bringing the former GDR up to date)
e: the federalistic makeup of the country means that youll have many populated centres spread throughout the country which need to be connected.
f: Its geographical location in the heart of Europe.

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the Netherlands & Belgium have a much denser motorway network than any other country in the world, including Germany. There are almost no places in the Netherlands where a motorway is further as 25km away.
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The source of the Spanish motorways is listed a few posts back, in the code tags.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 07:32 PM   #379
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the Netherlands & Belgium have a much denser motorway network than any other country in the world, including Germany. There are almost no places in the Netherlands where a motorway is further as 25km away.

Yes, of course, I was refering to the "big" countries in Europe when I said that Germany had the densest.
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The source of the Spanish motorways is listed a few posts back, in the code tags.
Could you post it again pls.? I cant find it
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