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Old March 18th, 2008, 11:11 PM   #461
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nice numbers... :-)
Netherland is really a highly populated, highly motorised country...

I am a motorway fan, but I think the public transport is the solution for you...

...or do you plan to expand your motorway network?
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Old March 19th, 2008, 12:25 AM   #462
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Neither of those. So we're stuck with traffic jams for a while.

mass transit cannot solve any traffic jams, massive investments in mass transit only led to a 10% annual growth in traffic jams. But i think i have said enough about that
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Old March 19th, 2008, 04:08 AM   #463
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Austria:
(I took both "Autobahnen" and "Schnellstraßen, otherwise it would have been too difficult to find out the exact length)

ElviS77's method:

kms of motorways/ 1000 sq kms/ population per sq km

current:
2148/ 83871/ 99= 0,26

when all currently planned projects are ready:
2519/ 83871/ 99= 0,30

if all projects mentioned in the original "federal-roads-law 1971" (Bundesstraßengesetz 1971), which is still valid (of course with changes) would have been built:
3071/ 83871/ 99= 0,36

Verso's method:

population/ kms of motorways

current:
8335325/ 2148= 3881 inhabitants/km

when all currently planned projects are ready:
8335325/ 2519= 3309 inhabitants/km

if all projects mentioned in the original "federal-roads-law 1971" (Bundesstraßengesetz 1971), which is still valid (of course with changes) would have been built:
8335325/ 3071= 2714 inhabitants/km
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Old March 19th, 2008, 05:57 AM   #464
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According to this, for Canada it is:

0.51 (using the official 17,000 km statistic)
0.17 (using Chris' 5808 km statistic)
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Old March 20th, 2008, 12:21 AM   #465
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Sad shit, but for Estonia the number is 0.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 12:32 AM   #466
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where are you from where that last thing is usual? Many Dutch 2 lane main roads have over 20,000 AADT.
even the major road here bypassing my hometown on the countryside (3000 inhabitants) has between 7000-10000 vehicles a day (Bundesstraße 413).

another village nearby (12km from here, less than 1000 inhabitants) where people are fighting for a bypass because it lacks a complete one, counts more than 17000 vehicles on its 2-lane-major-road (not even a Bundesstraße). Numbers for urban areas are quite higher, I think
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Old March 21st, 2008, 07:47 AM   #467
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I think the 5808 is correct, because Ontario only has a little over 2000km
But of course in Ontario they want to lengthen the system, by extending some freeways and also creating whole new ones
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:01 PM   #468
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app. calculation for china - 53 600 km / 1 300 000 000 inhb = 0.04
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 04:56 AM   #469
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Croatia

The situation in 2008:

- 1100km of motorways

- 56.000km2 of area

- 81ppl/km2

So....the number is 0.24

By the year 2015. the number will be 0.33 (1500km of motorways).

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Old March 22nd, 2008, 04:59 PM   #470
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Croatia

The situation in 2008:

- 1100km of motorways
I would interfere, but Croats would of course attack me.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 05:21 PM   #471
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I would interfere, but Croats would of course attack me.
You're right with this... it's not 1100 km now but around 950 or sth.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 07:58 PM   #472
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I would interfere, but Croats would of course attack me.
Why do u think that

By the end of 2008. we should have exactly 1000 km (+ or - km or two) of highways.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 12:35 AM   #473
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Belgium:

kms of motorway: 1,747km
country area: 30 (x1000)
population: 10,390,200
population per km²: 340 inh./km²

So with the first method:
1,747/30/340 = 0.17

And with the second:
10,390,200/1,747 = 5947.45

I personally find our network of motorways extremely dense, so I'm quite appalled at the outcome... I did notice though that strangely enough we have a higher length in E-motorways than in just motorways, so according to me there's something wrong with the numbers...

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Old March 23rd, 2008, 12:55 AM   #474
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Cyprus(not including turkish part)
all numbers are rounded up

kms of motorway=270
country area=5,500
population=800,000
population per km²=145

using the first method
270/5,500/145=0,33

and with the second
800,000/270=2962

i dont know how these numbers will change when the construction of the new motorways is completed
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 01:21 AM   #475
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 01:53 AM   #476
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Nice, but it's not that accurate. And where's Belgium? The EU 'capital' is there, if nothing else.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 09:40 AM   #477
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Indeed not very accurate. In NL we have about 2350km of motorways, not 2602km.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 01:09 AM   #478
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Hungary about 1000 kms, not 600.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 03:15 PM   #479
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so you are calculating the following: (Length_of_mways/Area) / (population/Area)

this formula can be reduced to: [lenght of mways / population]

I think this is a good and simple indicator, but not perfect:


- maybe it would be better to divide the LENGTH with the number of cars
(a country with higher motorisation level - cars/pop - needs more motorway)

- maybe it would be more better to correct this number with the average car usage (km/year)...
(a country with higher average car usage needs more motorway)

and this is not perfec yet, because a low pop-density country can be satisfied with a good primary main road network - it is absolutly enough for its low AADT - however a high pop-density country needs motorways everywhere...
First of all, I'm absloutely aware that my idea was anything but perfect and that there are other parameters that do effect the total equation. However, one of the things you see when doing the calculations my way, is that the relative network length often increases with country size, and that densely populated areas seem to have have less motorways than more rural countries. This is not an absolute, of course, but it does make sense applied to Western Europe: Spain has more than Germany which has more than the UK. For instance. My not-so-contoversial hypothesis is that higher population density equals more motorway lanes on average. In addition, regular highways are often multilane as well.

Still, not the definitive comparison of motorway network length. Of course, and I like all the improvements that have been suggested.
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Cool statistics!
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