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Old November 17th, 2010, 05:09 AM   #21
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Since this thread will likely overlap with the individual airline threads, it is best not to double-post the same content in the same subsection / forum.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 04:13 AM   #22
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yeah , avianca is now a member of S.A
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Old November 18th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #23
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Whooops

The route map on the Star Alliance website (staralliance.com) shows Continental Airlines flying to a dozen locations in asia non-stop from ..... Guatemala City!

Obviously a data entry error, Should have been "GUM" for Guam instead of "GUA." Does anyone double check their work over there?



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Old November 19th, 2010, 03:44 AM   #24
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^ Ah .. input error. At least it seems they're generating the map based on airport codes. I believe Continental Micronesia only resumed their HKG flight recently.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:06 PM   #25
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Source:http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/queen...meet-millbrook

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By James Beech on Wed, 24 Nov 2010

More than two dozen chief executives of some of the world's top airlines will land in Queenstown next month for the first Star Alliance conference to be held in New Zealand.

The annual conference will combine chief executive and alliance management board meetings at Millbrook from December 12 to 14.

The meetings are expected to cover Star Alliance business decisions for the year ahead, including voting on membership development, expenditure, product development and marketing programmes.

About 80 delegates representing 29 airline members are expected, with more than 30 international media representatives covering the three-day event. Up to 200 guests are to attend the gala dinner on the Monday evening and other events and activities were being planned.

Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe said it was the first time the country had hosted the "significant" conference.

"It is a reflection of the strength of Air New Zealand's influence in the alliance that members have agreed to come here."

The 29 airlines of the Star Alliance together employ more than 400,000 staff, operate 4000 aircraft and carry 623 million passengers a year. The Star Alliance network offers 21,050 daily flights to 1167 airports in 181 countries.

The member airlines' combined turnover of US$153 billion ($NZ199 billion) a year represents about 30% of the total aviation industry's turnover.

The Star Alliance network was established in 1997 and includes members Adria Airways, Air Canada, Air China, Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana Airlines, Austrian, Blue1, Bmi, Brussels Airlines, Continental Airlines, Croatia Airlines, Egypt Air, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa, Scandinavian Airlines, Shanghai Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Spanair, Swiss, TAM Airlines, TAP Portugal, Turkish Airlines, Thai Airways, United and US Airways. Aegean Airlines and Air India have been announced as future members.
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Old May 29th, 2011, 08:06 AM   #26
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As an OZ member, I rather welcome Jet Airways onboard.

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SAN FRANCISCO: The clock is finally ticking for Air India to join Lufthansa-led Star Alliance. After a delay of two years, AI has been given time till July 31 to meet all requirements to join the network. Failing which, Naresh Goyal's Jet Airways could pip AI to joining Star Alliance.

Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr said: "Star Alliance has invited both AI and Jet. AI has been given time till July 31 to prepare. All solutions should be worked out by then. Whoever is ready will join the alliance. Star has extended open arms to both and is ready to welcome Jet any time. He made it clear that India is such a huge aviation market that it can easily have two big domestic airlines as part of the alliance. "We would appreciate both Air India and Jet Airways joining us as it will be very good for the air traveller to have such a brilliant connectivity in India and the growing air traffic demand in that region," he said.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:09 PM   #27
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Published: 01/08/2011 - Filed under: News »


Air India's integration into Star Alliance has been put “on hold”, after it failed to meet the alliance’s standards.

The carrier's planned membership of the alliance was first announced in 2007, and it had been due to complete the joining process by last year.

In May, however, Star Alliance had given Air India a deadline of July 31 (see online news May 10) to meet the minimum terms of its joining contract, which, as it has now emerged, it was unable to do.

The decision to suspend the integration process was reached by the member airlines of Star Alliance and Air India itself, according to an official statement.

The Indian airline failed to meet the minimum joining conditions that were contractually agreed in December 2007.

The status of Air India's application underwent a review at a meeting attended by Jaan Albrecht, Star Alliance's CEO, Arvind Jadhay, Air India's CMD, and representatives from the Indian Ministry for Civil Aviation.

Albrecht said: “With the collective decision to put the integration efforts on hold today we aim to contribute to Air India’s flexibility to concentrate on its ongoing strategic reorientation.

“In this process our member carriers will continue to provide assistance to Air India wherever required.”

The road to future membership has been left open, however, with existing relationships with Star Alliance member alliances unaffected by the decision.

For more information visit airindia.com.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:31 PM   #28
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Air India isn't exactly the most reputable airline I'd like to fly with anyway.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:34 PM   #29
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Air India isn't exactly the most reputable airline I'd like to fly with anyway.
Never flown with them before and am not planning to. Heard alot of bad feedback from people who have................ I would rather Kingfisher or Jet Airways join the alliance.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:43 PM   #30
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 05:59 AM   #31
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Never flown with them before and am not planning to. Heard alot of bad feedback from people who have................ I would rather Kingfisher or Jet Airways join the alliance.
Well Kingfisher is joining OW... so prepare for a welcome announcement for Jet Airways soon!

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Old August 2nd, 2011, 06:12 AM   #32
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Well Kingfisher is joining OW... so prepare for a welcome announcement for Jet Airways soon!

Haha Yeah i hope Jet Airways joins Star Alliance but i think they will join Skyteam.....................
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 07:16 AM   #33
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Haha Yeah i hope Jet Airways joins Star Alliance but i think they will join Skyteam.....................
Not necessarily. Jet Airways has a lot more Star Alliance codeshares than SkyTeam ones, plus, Jet partners with two founding members of Star Alliance, Air Canada and United. On an unrelated note, they also lease their planes to another Star Alliance founding member, Thai.

There are other complications with joining Star Alliance though, as this article points out:

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Two officials at the civil aviation ministry said the rejection came after the ministry didn’t agree to a demand from the alliance to give Jet Airways(India) Ltd the go-ahead to join the grouping

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New Delhi: Air India has been denied entry into the prestigious Star Alliance grouping for reasons that aren’t exactly clear.

A statement from Star Alliance said Air India is yet to meet the conditions that were contractually agreed upon in late 2007, when the airline was extended an invitation to join the grouping—a move that would have meant an increase in passenger traffic because the airline would have become the automatic choice for customers on other Star Alliance members that travel to India.

Two officials at the civil aviation ministry said the rejection came after the ministry didn’t agree to a demand from the alliance to give Jet Airways (India) Ltd the go-ahead to join the grouping.

An Air India spokesperson denied that the airline had not met the conditions prescribed for joining Star Alliance.

This marks the first time in 14 years that an airline previously extended an invitation has been denied permission to join the alliance, which has 27 members. Air India was expected to join the grouping by 31 July and the move would have increased the carrier’s annual revenue by 5-15%, according to internal estimates.

Star Alliance’s statement, released early on Monday after a Sunday decision of its chief executive board decided to “unanimously...put on hold” Air India’s effort to join the alliance, said: “This is due to the fact that Air India has not met the minimum joining conditions that were contractually agreed (upon) in December 2007.”

Despite the wording, this could well be the end of Air India’s hopes of joining the alliance. “No” extension will be given to the airline to join the grouping, Christian Klick, a vice-president at Star Alliance headquarters in Frankfurt, said in an email.

In a July meeting of Star Alliance officials, aviation minister Vayalar Ravi, aviation secretary Nasim Zaidi and Air India chairman Arvind Jadhav, the ministry had refused to accept any conditions on Air India’s entry.

“Star Alliance told us that they will draft a letter on behalf of Jet Airways which the ministry needs to sign as a no-objection certificate for Jet to also be a Star member before Star gives a green signal for Air India to join,” a top ministry official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “This was an atrocious demand and was completely rejected.”

A second ministry official, who also did not want to be named, confirmed the demand: “They said either we take Jet and Air India or none is welcome.” The row could escalate, with the Indian authorities planning to issue an official statement, he said. “We will reply appropriately to Star. As far as we are concerned, Star can forget India,” he added.

A Star Alliance spokesperson said: “We have always, in public and in conversations with the government, made it very clear that we believe that because of the importance of the Indian market, it requires more than one local carrier to satisfy the travel demand of the alliance customers. We have the same situation in China or in the US.”

This person added: “But to be very clear, yesterday’s decision was based on separate evidence, not on this topic.”

A Jet Airways spokesperson declined to comment. Last month, chairman Naresh Goyal said in Singapore that his airline was evaluating both Star Alliance and rival grouping SkyTeam.

Star Alliance’s Klick said Jet hadn’t yet formally approached the grouping. “We’ve not received such (a) request. Because of the importance of the Indian market, we will maintain our options open,” he added.

Air India needed to meet at least 87 requirements to join the alliance and may have met most of them, according to a letter from Star that has been reviewed by Mint.

Gerhard Girkinger, chief project manager at Star Alliance, who has been supervising the integration process with Air India, wrote to the carrier on 30 July and said that much of the work was “done”.

“I can confirm the status of the integration based on the attached spreadsheets. From my perspective, this means we are basically done although I need formal sign-off. All the other components depend on a joining date,” Girkinger wrote.

Klick did not deny the communication. “Notwithstanding the fact that Air India must have breached our confidentiality agreement with such information, I can confirm the following: The decision to accept compliance to the full set of minimum joining conditions as contractually agreed to in 2007 is not taken/confirmed by a project manager in the Star Alliance Service GmbH responsible for the implementation of a certain set of so-called components,” he said.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether Air India would get back the Rs. 62 crore it has paid as joining fee to the alliance. It has also spent money besides this as part of the project, a key element of its turnaround. This includes amounts spent on branding, lounges and on a system to integrate its two codes (one each for Air India and Indian Airlines that merged to create the new Air India) that cost $190 million (Rs. 836 crore today), although this amount would have been spent anyway as part of the integration process.

Klick said the aviation ministry hasn’t “formally” told the alliance that if Air India isn’t allowed to be part of the grouping, then no other Indian airline would. “And when looking at the aviation industry in today’s globalized environment, we have so far not seen countries blocking airlines from commercial success. Alliance decisions are usually based on commercial grounds and not based on government opinion,” he said.

A retired Air India official said the development would hurt Air India’s prospects.

“It is very unfortunate that Air India failed to comply with all requirements by the stipulated extended deadline,” said Jitender Bhargava, a retired executive director at the airline. “As membership of Star Alliance would have led to enhanced revenue, so very critical for Air India, all out efforts should have been made.”

Liz Mathew contributed to this story.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 06:56 PM   #34
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Yeah there are alot of complications Is Jet Airways related to Air India in anyway?
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Yeah there are alot of complications Is Jet Airways related to Air India in anyway?
the only relation between the two is that both are Indian carriers. The ministry of civil aviation is pretty f'ed up in India. They are blatantly biased to Air India. If Air India cant join the alliance Jet wont too. Stupid attitude. Some time back Lufthansa was denied permission to fly A380 as it would harm the flagship carrier. Nut cases.
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I wish Jet Airways could join the Star Alliance. Its an excellent airline.
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Star Alliance will definitely need a partner in India soon since it's the fastest growing aviation market.
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Never flown with them before and am not planning to. Heard alot of bad feedback from people who have................ I would rather Kingfisher or Jet Airways join the alliance.
well the in flight services are reasonably good, specially the food. it hits you before and after boarding. the apathy of the employees and virtual absence of service is whats taking a toll on AI and of course the passengers.
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I think i will stick with Jet Airways and Kingfisher for the time being..........They are pretty good
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